Your Top 20 Managers

[Yankeefan94]

1. McGraw
2. Mack
3. McCarthy
4. Weaver
5. Anderson

6-11 in no particular order
Stengal, Torre, Boudreau, Herzog, Martin, and Huggins

[RuthMayBond]

I'm curious to see if three-time Manager of the Year Dusty Baker makes anyone's list. If so, I'll have to throw some rope, duct tape and a crowbar in the trunk and take a little road trip.

Angels and Marlins fans seem to like him awfully well. It serves him right for not signing my baseball when I went to a Cards game in 1982

[RockyC]

My picks (top five)
1- Casey Stengel
2- John McGraw
3- Joe McCarthy
4-Connie Mack
5- (tie) Walter Alston and Miller Huggins

[Chadwick]

1. John McGraw
2. Connie Mack
3. Joe McCarthy
4. Bobby Cox
5. Casey Stengel
6. Earl Weaver
7. Walter Alston
8. Frank Selee
9. Sparky Anderson
10. Harry Wright
11. Tony LaRussa
12. Leo Durocher
13. Whitey Herzog
14. Dick Williams
15. Joe Torre
16. Al Lopez
17. Ned Hanlon
18. Miller Huggins
19. Danny Murtaugh
20. Fred Clarke
21. Cap Anson
22. Bill McKechnie
23. Billy Martin
24. Jim Leyland
25. Billy Southworth

I give more credit to men who won in the free agency era, who won with different teams than those who didn't. I credit playoff appearances but don't detract for post-season losses unless it's directly attributable to managerial error. A few of these men receive credit as innovators in their profession.

Tommy Lasorda, in my opinion, wasn't a particular good manager. He happened to be a cheerleader who worked for the flagship franchise in the league during most of his tenure. For the number of years he managed, he took very few teams to the postseason and the '88 World Championship was a total fluke. Of course, he's gotten on my nerves ever since I read in an SI issue that season where Tommy referred to Yahweh as "the big Dodger in the sky." I'm sure Lasorda would probably make my Top 40 list but I'm not inclined to split enough hairs to distinguish between him and the others who might follow after #25 so baseball's pasta poster boy can rot for the time being.

I'm curious to see if three-time Manager of the Year Dusty Baker makes anyone's list. If so, I'll have to throw some rope, duct tape and a crowbar in the trunk and take a little road trip.

[RuthMayBond]

I just rechecked my facts. Bill McKechnie came in 4th or lower 14 times. Don't believe me. Here's the link.---http://www.baseball-reference.com/managers/mckecbi01.shtml

You said LOWER than fourth


<It was a saying, RBB. Must you take even sayings literally.>

Why did you bring the saying up?

< The question is, why does Clark Griffith make your list?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/ma...riffcl01.shtml>

I told you, he had no horses

[Bill Burgess]

Nine times, Bill, I forgot to do your fact-checking

I just rechecked my facts. Bill McKechnie came in 4th or lower 14 times. Don't believe me. Here's the link.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/ma...ckecbi01.shtml

<It was during Clark's managerial tenure with Washington, that the saying went out, 'Washington - first in war, first in peace, and last in the American L.' That was during Walter Johnson's heyday.>

Interesting. They weren't anywhere NEAR last place until his fifth year

It was a saying, RBB. Must you take even sayings literally. The question is, why does Clark Griffith make your list?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/ma...riffcl01.shtml

His actual managerial record is about as dreary/lack-luster as they come. Guess you forgot to check your own facts, this time, eh, Jeff?

[Bill Burgess]

So now Torre's awful?

Heaven's no. No one on my list is awful. My list is of the greatest, not the worst. Joe is a great manager.

He had the horses and produced great. But even with the horses, he didn't win ALL the pennants. His teams from 1996-2007 always either won the pennant or came in second.

For any manager, in an 11 year period, to win the WS 4 times, and the pennant another 2 times is a great manager, even with the horses.

For some reason, with great players like A-Rod, Jeter, Posada, Abreu, Clemens, etc., Joe couldn't win the pennant in recent years. I don't know why. And neither did George Steinbrenner. Call it an anomaly, if you must.

[RuthMayBond]

Bill won 4 pennants but he also came in below 4th place 14 times.

Nine times, Bill, I forgot to do your fact-checking

<It was during Clark's managerial tenure with Washington, that the saying went out, 'Washington - first in war, first in peace, and last in the American L.' That was during Walter Johnson's heyday.>

Interesting. They weren't anywhere NEAR last place until his fifth year

[RuthMayBond]

Or the 2002-2008 Yankees!

So now Torre's awful?

[Bill Burgess]

I was just wondering if you were going to acknowledge it

Don't I always? Don't I usually?

[RuthMayBond]

This next quote sounds an awful lot to me like a man who wants some feedback.

I was just wondering if you were going to acknowledge it

[Bill Burgess]

Oh, like Mack

Or like Stengel, too. Or like many others.

<It was during Clark's managerial tenure with Washington, that the saying went out, 'Washington - first in war, first in peace, and last in the American L.' That was during Walter Johnson's heyday.>

Refer to horses, need some

<You claim you want feedback>

When did I claim that? You claim you want my list, but it seems you want your list

This next quote sounds an awful lot to me like a man who wants some feedback.

About as interesting as your reaction to my updated list :silent:

[RuthMayBond]

Bill won 4 pennants but he also came in below 4th place 14 times.

Oh, like Mack

<It was during Clark's managerial tenure with Washington, that the saying went out, 'Washington - first in war, first in peace, and last in the American L.' That was during Walter Johnson's heyday.>

Refer to horses, need some

<You claim you want feedback>

When did I claim that? You claim you want my list, but it seems you want your list

[Bill Burgess]

Tell me what the 66 Cubs did.
With Banks
AND Billy Williams
AND Santo
AND Robin Roberts
AND Jenkins

Or the 2002-2008 Yankees!

[RuthMayBond]

McKechnie I have always liked but he had a record that proved that he couldn't win without the horses.

Tell me what the 66 Cubs did.
With Banks
AND Billy Williams
AND Santo
AND Robin Roberts
AND Jenkins