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Which team is the greatest of all-time?
Id say either the '27 Yankees or the '29 A's
Id say either the '27 Yankees or the '29 A's
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"I was pitching one day when my glasses clouded up on me. I took them off to polish them. When I looked up to the plate, I saw Jimmie Foxx. The sight of him terrified me so much that I haven't been able to wear glasses since." - Left Gomez
"(Lou) Gehrig never learned that a ballplayer couldn't be good every day." - Hank Gowdy -
Those two are certainly in the running. Hard to really come up with other teams that compare, though the 1918 White Sox or one of the Big Red Machine teams would be in the running. Any of the four great Yankee teams -- 27, 39, 61, 98 -- should be considered. Along with the early A's and Cubs teams."Simply put, the passion, interest and tradition surrounding baseball in New York is unmatched."
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Everyone always saye the '27 Yankees. But they are not the greatest Yankee's team. I'd go with the '39 or '98 Yankees.Originally posted by Myankee4life
My top five:
1939 Yankees
1976 Reds
1970 Baltimore Orioles
1927 Yankees
1929 A's or 1906 Cubs
Why the '39 Yankees? They are the only team to outscore their opponents by over 400 runs...Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 02-25-2005, 03:03 PM.Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash DavisComment
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What was the record of the '39 Yankees?
It was surprising because considering that by that time Gehrig was "retired"
and Dimaggio being the only notable offensive force"I was pitching one day when my glasses clouded up on me. I took them off to polish them. When I looked up to the plate, I saw Jimmie Foxx. The sight of him terrified me so much that I haven't been able to wear glasses since." - Left Gomez
"(Lou) Gehrig never learned that a ballplayer couldn't be good every day." - Hank GowdyComment
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Off the top of head I believe they won 110 games. I'm not 100% sure though...Originally posted by Myankee4lifeStrikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash DavisComment
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The 27 Yanks had bigger names (Ruth, Gehrig, Lazerri, Combs, Meusel, Hoyt, Shocker, Pennock, Shawkey), but the 39 team might have been better.
Dickey - Gordon - DiMaggio are all among the top 10 ever at their positions. Frankie Crosetti was an outstanding defensive SS. Red Rolfe was probably the best 3B in Yankee history before ARod (arguably with Nettles). Tommy Henrich had the nickname "clutch" for a reason (how many utility outfielders have 132 career OPS+'s?). King Kong Keller was one of the great hitters of all time before back trouble limited him at an early age. George Selkirk had a career year. But the pitching was the thing... Ruffing, Gomez, Bump Hadley, Marius Russo, Oral Hildebrand... the Yanks got some great years from anonymous guys that year. The stars really alligned."Simply put, the passion, interest and tradition surrounding baseball in New York is unmatched."
Sean McAdam, ESPN.comComment
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Yanks 1936 through 1939 in the World Series... on the big stage... won 16 games and lost only 3 games. Eight consecutive wins 1938-39.Comment
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The 29 A's did have a fair weakness at hitting. The 27 Yanks had no weakness on either sideOriginally posted by Myankee4lifeMythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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18 ChiSox? And the 61 Yanks had weaknessesOriginally posted by ElHaloMythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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1. 1929 Philadelphia Athletics
2. 1917 White Sox
3. 1910 Philadelphia Athletics
4. 1927 New York YankeesLast edited by Bill Burgess; 02-25-2005, 08:52 PM.Comment
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Easier in a more offensive environment. Unless you're using time-period adjustments, 98 Yanks aren't as good as 27, either with ERA+, BR+, OPS+ or Runs Scored/AllowedOriginally posted by Honus Wagner RulesMythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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27 Yanks could wipe up all these teamsOriginally posted by [email protected]Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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Jeffrey,
Dream on, beautiful dreamer. We won't awaken thee.
Bill BurgessComment
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--Even if you don't think that the quality of play has increased over time (although what reasonable person would think that), there are some obvious problems for old great teams in matching up with more recent ones. Nobody before the 50s really had any kind of bullpen. Only a few had more than 4-5 pitchers they could rely on at all.
--Unless we are setting these matchups in the deadball era when starters could be expected to go the distance most of the time they couldn't hold up over a season- or probably even a 7 game series - with the deeper teams of modern times.
--That pretty much rules out the 1906-10 Cubs or 1910-14 A's, who were the best of the deadball teams (the 1917-19 (or 20) White Sox can be ruled out because they were anywhere close to being even the best deadball team). It would be a problem even for the great 1926-28 or 36-39 Yankees or 1929-31 A's.
--The Yankees and Dodgers of the 50s are probably the first teams that had modern depth. They would be a decent match for the 1969-71 Orioles or 76-76 Reds or the 98-2000 Yankees. I'd probably pick one of the later 3 though. Although, in spite of their post season disappointments the Braves of recent vintage (pick a group) have probably been as good a team as any in history. For that matter the Orioles didn't have quite the postseason success as the contemporary A's, but I always thought they wer better anyway.Comment
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That reminds me - in November, we started a tournament to help settle that question, but only got about halfway through it. What happened to the person running it?Comment
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