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    Great DAY in the Morning! Nolan Ryan, The Amazing Ryan Express has finally been elected!!! Thank you, my friends. You have done a supremely good thing this day!

    Nolan Ryan, my adult baseball idol, the man who got me back into my childhood passion of baseball, won our 22nd round of our Greatest Pitcher series!! Hallalujah, Amen, Thank You, Lord Jesus!! Nolan put together a winning 31 points including 3 first place votes. Almost a massive winning margin over Phil Niekro, the Braves' stalwart. Phil rang in with 23 points but no first place votes. Sorry bout that Phil! John Clarkson, of the ancient chronicles, came in 3rd with 21 points and 3 first place votes. That away, John.

    But just behind this trio came Whitey Ford, the Yanks' great southpaw slinger with 19 points but no first place votes who tied with Robin Roberts, the oft-neglected Phillies' anchor of the 50's, with 19 points and but a single first place vote.

    The 23nd round for Greatest Pitcher series is now open. Round 23 will end when Jud (AstrosFan), our Official Tally Master technician and Decision Caller, calls it. We are now calling our polls after a decent interval, instead of waiting for a certain number of votes. That system simply didn't work. We went over a year waiting.

    1. Walter Johnson
    2. Greg Maddux
    3. Cy Young
    4. Lefty Grove
    5. Pete Alexander
    6. Christy Mathewson
    7. Tom Seaver
    8. Roger Clemens
    9. Randy Johnson
    10. Warren Spahn
    11. Satchel Paige
    12. Pedro Martinez
    13. Bob Feller
    14. Bob Gibson
    15. Kid Nichols
    16. Steve Carlton
    17. Smokey Joe Williams
    18. Carl Hubbell
    19. Juan Marichal
    20. Mordecai Brown
    21. Sandy Koufax
    22. Nolan Ryan
    23.

    As per our usual, please consider everything. Counting totals, rate stats, relative stats, peak, longevity, special skills, awards/opinions, intangibles, team support/lack of support, special circumstances, time missed for war/injuries, etc.

    We are now ONLY voting for the 23nd Greatest. Please submit your ballot with your next Top 5 Pitchers, and 5 Honorable Mentions, if you would. That would help us out. Thanks for cooperating in this process. As the winner of Round 22, the immortal Nolan Ryan is now eliminated from further consideration. Negro Leaguers are eligible.
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    Here is how Round 1 broke down.---31 voters

    -----Johnson------Maddux--Matty-Alexander-Young---Grove---Clemens--Nichols-Spahn-Feller-Koufax-Seaver-Martinez-Rivera-N.Ryan
    1.----110 pts(22)---25(5)------0-----0-------5(1)-----10(2)-----0--------0-----0------5(1)-----0----0-------0-------0------0
    2. ---24(6)---------24(6)---16(4)---4(1)----12(3)-----28(7)----8(2)-------0-----0-------0----4(1)----0-------0-------0------0
    3.-----6(2)---------15(5)----3(1)--18(6)-----9(3)-----18(6)-----0-------3(1)---6(2)-----0------0-----0-------0-------0-----6(2)
    4. -----2(1)--------10(5)----2(1)--10(5)----16(8)------8(4)----10(5)------0-----0-------0-----2(1)---0-------0-------0------0
    5.------0------------4(4)----1(1)---6(6)-----4(4)------4(4)------0--------0----1(1)----1(1)---2(2)--1(1)----1(1)-----2(2)----0
    Totals-142-----------78-------22----38-------46-------68-------18-------3-----7-------6-------8----1-------1-------2------6

    1. Walter Johnson - 142 (22)
    2. Greg Maddux - 78 (5)
    3. Lefty Grove - 68 (2)
    4. Cy Young - 46 (1)
    4. Pete Alexander - 38
    6. Christy Mathewson - 22
    7. Roger Clemens - 18
    8. Sandy Koufax - 8
    9. Warren Spahn - 7
    9. Bob Feller - 6 (1)
    11. Nolan Ryan - 6
    11. Kid Nichols - 3
    12. Mariano Rivera - 2
    13. Tom Seaver - 1
    13. Pedro Martinez - 1

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Here is how Round 2 broke down.---24 voters

    1. Greg Maddux - 78(11)
    2. Lefty Grove - 71(7)
    3. Cy Young - 58(2)
    4. Pete Alexander - 46(1)
    5. Christy Mathewson - 31(2)
    6. Roger Clemens - 20(1)
    7. Warren Spahn - 9
    8. Nolan Ryan - 7
    9. Bob Feller - 5
    9. Tom Seaver - 5
    9. Randy Johnson - 5
    12. Pedro Martinez - 4
    13. Bob Gibson - 3
    13. Mariano Rivera - 3
    15. Satchel Paige - 2
    16. Smokey Joe Williams - 1
    16. Kid Nichols - 1
    16. Curt Schilling - 1
    ------------------------------
    Fine Breakdown: Round 2:
    ------------------------------1st-----2nd-----3rd-----4th-----5th
    1. Greg Maddux--------------55(11)--20(5)----3(1)----0--------0
    2. Lefty Grove --------------35(7)---12(3)----18(6)---4(2)-----2(2)
    3. Cy Young-----------------10(2)---16(4)----18(6)--12(6)----2(2)
    4. Pete Alexander--------------5(1)--20(5)----12(4)---4(2)----5(5)
    5. Christy Mathewson----------10(2)-8(2)------6(2)---4(2)----3(3)
    6. Roger Clemens---------------5(1)--8(2)-----3(1)----2(1)---2(2)
    7. Warren Spahn-----------------0---4(1)-----3(1)-----0-----2(1)
    8. Nolan Ryan--------------------0---4(1)------0------2(1)---1(1)
    9. Bob Feller---------------------0-----0-------0------4(2)---1(1)
    9. Tom Seaver-------------------0-----0-------3(1)--2(1)-----0
    9. Randy Johnson----------------0-----0-------3(1)--2(1)-----0
    12. Pedro Martinez---------------0----4(1)------0-----0-------0
    13. Bob Gibson-------------------0-----0-------0-----2(1)----1(1)
    13. Mariano Rivera---------------0------0------0-----2(1)-----1(1)
    15. Satchel Paige----------------0------0------0-----2(1)------0
    16. Smokey Joe Williams----------0------0------0------0-------1(1)
    16. Kid Nichols-------------------0------0------0------0-------1(1)
    16. Curt Schilling-----------------0------0------0------0-------1(1)


    Round 3:---19 voters

    1. Cy Young - 66(5)
    2. Lefty Grove - 57(5)
    3. Pete Alexander - 54(3)
    4. Christy Mathewson - 40
    5. Tom Seaver - 28(1)
    6. Roger Clemens - 18(2)
    7. Randy Johnson - 13(1)
    8. Satchel Paige - 8
    9. Bob Feller - 5
    9. Mariano Rivera - 5
    11. Warren Spahn - 4
    11. Nolan Ryan - 4
    13. Sandy Koufax - 3
    14. Steve Carlton- 2
    14. Bob Gibson - 2
    16. Curt Schilling - 1
    16. Pedro Martinez - 1
    16. Rube Foster - 1

    Here's the breakdown.

    -----------------------1st------2nd-----3rd------4th------5th
    1. Cy Young----------25(5)-----20(5)----15(5)----6(3)------0
    2. Lefty Grove--------25(5)-----24(6)-----3(1)----4(2)------1(1)
    3. Pete Alexander-----15(3)-----16(4)----18(6)----4(2)------1(1)
    4. Christy Mathewson-10(2)-----16(4)-----3(1)----8(4)------3(3)
    5. Tom Seaver--------5(1)------4(1)------9(3)----6(3)------4(4)
    6. Roger Clemens-----10(2)-----4(1)-------0------2(1)------2(2)
    7. Randy Johnson------5(1)------0--------3(1)-----0--------5(5)
    8. Satchel Paige--------0--------0--------6(2)-----2(1)------0
    9. Bob Feller------------0--------0-------3(1)-----2(1)-------0
    10. Warren Spahn-------0-------0---------0-------2(1)------2(2)
    10. Nolan Ryan----------0------4(1)-------0-------0---------0
    13. Sandy Koufax-------0-------0---------3(1)-----0---------0
    14. Bob Gibson----------0-------0---------0-------2(1)------0
    14. Steve Carlton-------0--------0---------0------2(1)------0
    16. Pedro Martinez------0--------0---------0-------0--------1(1)
    16. Curt Schilling--------0--------0---------0-------0--------1(1)
    16. Rube Foster---------0--------0---------0-------0--------1(1)

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Round 4.---21 voters

    1. Lefty Grove - 73(9)
    2. Pete Alexander - 61(4)
    3. Christy Mathewson - 48(2)
    4. Tom Seaver - 31(2)
    5. Roger Clemens - 28(3)
    6. Randy Johnson - 17
    7. Satchel Paige - 15
    8. Pedro Martinez - 13
    9. Joe Williams - 6
    10. Sandy Koufax - 5
    11. Warren Spahn - 4
    11. Bob Feller - 4
    13. Steve Carlton - 2
    14. Bob Caruthers - 1
    14. Kid Nichols - 1
    14. Rube Foster

    Here's the fine breakdown.

    --------------------------1st----2nd-----3rd----4th----5th
    1. Lefty Grove-----------45(9)---16(4)---6(2)---6(3)----0
    2. Pete Alexander--------20(4)---24(6)---9(3)---6(3)---2(2)
    3. Christy Mathewson----10(2)----8(2)--24(8)---4(2)---2(2)
    4. Tom Seaver-----------10(2)---12(3)---3(1)---4(2)---2(2)
    5. Roger Clemens---------15(3)----0------9(3)---2(1)---2(2)
    6. Randy Johnson----------0------4(1)-----0----10(5)---3(3)
    7. Satchel Paige-----------0------8(2)----3(1)----0-----4(4)
    8. Pedro Martinez---------5(1)----8(2)-----0------0------0
    9. Joe Williams-------------0------4(1)-----0-----2(1)----0
    10. Sandy Koufax----------0--------0-----3(1)---2(1)----0
    11. Warren Spahn----------0--------0------0-----2(1)---2(2)
    11. Bob Feller--------------0--------0-----3(1)----0-----1(1)
    13. Steve Carlton----------0--------0------0-----2(1)----0
    14. Bob Caruthers----------0--------0------0------0----1(1)
    14. Kid Nichols-------------0--------0------0------0----1(1)
    14. Rube Foster------------0--------0------0------0----1(1)

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Round 5. 19 voters.

    1. Pete Alexander - 65(7)
    2. Tom Seaver - 50(6)
    3. Christy Mathewson - 39(2)
    4. Randy Johnson - 32
    5. Satchel Paige - 31(2)
    6. Roger Clemens - 21(1)
    7. Warren Spahn - 14
    8. Bob Feller - 7
    9. Kid Nichols - 6
    10. Pedro Martinez - 5(1)
    11. Joe Williams - 4
    12. Bob Gibson - 3
    13. Steve Carlton - 2
    14. Bob Caruthers - 1
    14. Sandy Koufax - 1
    --------------------------------------------
    The fine breakdown.
    -----------------------1st----2nd----3rd---4th---5th
    1. Pete Alexander-----35(7)--24(6)---6(2)---0-----0
    2. Tom Seaver--------30(6)---8(2)---6(2)--6(3)---0
    3. Christy Mathewson-10(2)---8(2)--12(4)--8(4)--1(1)
    4. Randy Johnson-------0------8(2)--15(5)--6(3)--3(3)
    5. Satchel Paige------10(2)---8(2)---6(2)--6(3)--1(1)
    6. Roger Clemens------5(1)---8(2)---3(1)--4(2)--1(1)
    7. Warren Spahn-------0-----4(1)---3(1)---0----7(7)
    8. Bob Feller-----------0-----4(1)----0----2(1)--1(1)
    9. Kid Nichols----------0-------0----3(1)--2(1)--1(1)
    10. Pedro Martinez----5(1)-----0-----0-----0-----0
    11. Joe Williams--------0-------0-----0---2(1)--1(1)
    12. Bob Gibson---------0-------0----3(1)--0-----0
    13. Steve Carlton------0-------0-----0---2(1)---0
    14. Bob Caruthers------0-------0-----0----0----1(1)
    14. Sandy Koufax-------0------0-----0----0----1(1)


    Round 6. ---20 voters.

    1. Christy Mathewson - 65
    2. Tom Seaver - 59
    3. Randy Johnson - 35
    4. Roger Clemens - 28
    4. Warren Spahn - 28
    6. Satchel Paige - 27
    6. Pedro Martinez - 27
    8. Smokey Joe Williams - 8
    9. Bob Feller - 6
    9. Kid Nichols - 6
    11. Sandy Koufax - 4
    12. Bob Gibson - 3
    13. Steve Carlton - 2
    14. Bob Caruthers - 1
    14. Mordecai Brown - 1

    The fine breakdown.
    -------------------------------1st-----2nd-----3rd-----4th-----5th-----Total
    Christy Mathewson-------------7(35)---4(16)---2(6)----2(4)----4(4)-----65
    Tom Seaver--------------------7(35)---3(12)---1(3)----3(6)----3(3)-----59
    Randy Johnson-------------------0-----5(20)---3(9)----2(4)----2(2)-----35
    Roger Clemens-----------------2(10)---1(4)----4(12)-----0-----2(2)-----28
    Warren Spahn-------------------0-----1(4)----4(12)---5(10)----2(2)----28
    Satchel Paige--------------------0-----3(12)---3(9)----3(6)-----0-------27
    Pedro Martinez-----------------3(15)---1(4)----1(3)----2(4)----1(1)-----27
    Smokey Joe Williams-------------0------0-------1(3)----2(4)----1(1)-----8
    Bob Feller----------------------1(5)----0--------0-------0------1(1)-----6
    Kid Nichols----------------------0------1(4)------0-------0-----2(2)-----6
    Sandy Koufax-------------------0------1(4)------0-------0-------0------4
    Bob Gibson----------------------0-------0------1(3)------0------0-------3
    Steve Carlton-------------------0-------0-------0-------1(2)-----0------2
    Bob Caruthers-------------------0------0--------0--------0-----1(1)-----1
    Mordecai Brown-----------------0-------0-------0---------0----1(1)-----1

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Round 7
    Code:
    ---------------------1st-----2nd----3rd-----4th------5th-----Totals
    1. Tom Seaver------30(6)---24(6)--12(4)---2(1)----4(4)-------72
    2. Warren Spahn----10(2)---24(6)---9(3)--12(6)------0--------55
    3. Roger Clemens----35(7)----8(2)----0-----4(2)----6(6)-------53
    4. Satchel Paige-----20(4)---12(4)--12(4)----0-------0--------48
    5. Randy Johnson----5(1)----8(2)---15(3)---4(2)----2(2)-------34
    6. Pedro Martinez----5(1)----4(1)----3(1)----6(3)-----0--------18
    7. Bob Gibson---------0-----4(1)-----3(1)----4(2)---1(1)-------13
    8. Sandy Koufax------0-------0------9(3)-----0------1(1)------10
    9. Kid Nichols---------5(1)----0-------0------2(1)-----0---------7
    10. Bob Feller---------0-------0-------0------2(1)----3(3)-------5
    11. Nolan Ryan--------0-------0-------0------2(1)----1(1)-------3
    11. Steve Carlton-----0--------0------0--------0-----3(3)-------3
    13. Amos Rusie-------0---------0------0------2(1)------0--------2
    13. Ed Walsh---------0---------0------0------2(1)------0--------2
    13. Joe Rogan--------0---------0------0------2(1)------0--------2
    -------------------------------------------------------------------
    Round 8.
    Code:
    Fname		Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Roger		Clemens		9	1	2	5	0	65
    Randy		Johnson		1	4	7	1	2	46
    Warren		Spahn		2	5	4	1	1	45
    Satchel		Paige		3	6	0	2	1	44
    Pedro		Martinez	3	1	1	2	2	28
    Bob		Feller		0	0	1	3	5	14
    Sandy		Koufax		1	2	0	0	1	14
    Kid		Nichols		1	0	0	3	3	14
    Bob		Gibson		0	1	1	0	2	9
    Smokey Joe	Williams	0	0	2	1	0	8
    Steve		Carlton		0	0	0	1	1	3
    Nolan		Ryan		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Mariano		Rivera		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Whitey		Ford		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Juan		Marichal	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 9
    Code:
    Fname		Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Randy		Johnson		5	5	3	3	1	61
    Warren		Spahn		3	8	3	2	0	60
    Satchel		Paige		7	3	3	1	0	58
    Pedro		Martinez	4	3	2	3	1	45
    Kid		Nichols		1	1	4	1	7	30
    Bob		Feller		1	0	2	5	2	23
    Bob		Gibson		0	0	1	2	4	11
    Steve		Carlton		0	0	0	3	1	7
    Smokey Joe	Williams	0	0	2	0	0	6
    Mariano		Rivera		0	1	0	0	0	4
    Sandy		Koufax		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Juan		Marichal	0	0	0	0	2	2
    Amos		Rusie		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Three Finger	Brown		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Carl		Hubbell		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Nolan		Ryan		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 10.
    Code:
    Fname		Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Warren		Spahn		9	5	3	1	1	77
    Satchel		Paige		8	4	1	0	0	59
    Pedro		Martinez	3	3	3	1	1	39
    Bob		Feller		1	1	5	3	1	31
    Kid		Nichols		0	4	0	6	2	30
    Bob		Gibson		0	1	3	4	5	26
    Steve		Carlton		0	0	2	3	0	12
    Sandy		Koufax		0	2	1	0	1	12
    Smokey Joe	Williams	0	1	2	0	0	10
    Carl		Hubbell		0	0	1	1	2	7
    Amos		Rusie		0	0	1	1	0	5
    Juan		Marichal	0	0	0	0	4	4
    Nolan		Ryan		0	0	0	1	1	3
    Three Finger	Brown		0	0	0	0	2	2
    Tim		Keefe		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 11.
    Code:
    Fname		Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Satchel		Paige		10	4	1	0	0	69
    Pedro		Martinez	3	6	1	1	2	46
    Bob		Feller		3	2	6	0	3	44
    Kid		Nichols		3	1	4	2	4	39
    Bob		Gibson		0	2	2	6	3	29
    Carl		Hubbell		0	1	2	2	3	17
    Steve		Carlton		0	2	2	1	0	16
    Smokey Joe	Williams	1	1	1	0	0	12
    Sandy		Koufax		0	1	0	1	1	7
    Three Finger	Brown		0	0	0	2	2	6
    Nolan		Ryan		0	0	1	1	0	5
    Juan		Marichal	0	0	0	2	0	4
    Tim		Keefe		0	0	0	1	1	3
    Eddie		Plank		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Gaylord		Perry		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 12.
    Code:
    Fname		Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Pedro		Martinez	8	3	0	3	1	59
    Bob		Feller		5	6	0	2	4	57
    Bob		Gibson		1	5	4	5	1	48
    Kid		Nichols		3	1	4	3	2	39
    Steve		Carlton		0	2	2	3	2	22
    Carl		Hubbell		0	0	5	1	1	18
    Smokey Joe	Williams	1	1	1	2	0	16
    Sandy		Koufax		0	1	1	0	2	9
    Three Finger	Brown		1	0	0	0	3	8
    Tim		Keefe		0	1	0	1	1	7
    Juan		Marichal	0	0	2	0	0	6
    Bob		Caruthers	1	0	0	0	0	5
    Nolan		Ryan		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Eddie		Plank		0	0	0	0	2	2
    Gaylord		Perry		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 13
    Code:
    Fname		Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Bob		Feller		6	2	3	3	3	56
    Bob		Gibson		3	4	4	2	4	51
    Kid		Nichols		5	1	3	3	1	45
    Carl		Hubbell		0	4	1	3	3	28
    Steve		Carlton		0	3	3	1	1	24
    Smokey Joe	Williams	2	1	2	0	4	24
    Sandy		Koufax		0	4	1	0	0	19
    Three Finger	Brown		2	1	0	1	1	17
    Juan		Marichal	0	0	2	1	1	9
    Nolan		Ryan		1	0	0	0	1	6
    Ed		Walsh		1	0	0	0	1	6
    Whitey		Ford		0	0	0	2	0	4
    Tim		Keefe		0	0	0	2	0	4
    Addie		Joss		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Mariano		Rivera		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Robin		Roberts		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Bob		Caruthers	0	0	0	0	0	0
    Gaylord		Perry		0	0	0	0	0	0
    Eddie		Plank		0	0	0	0	0	0
    Round 14
    Code:
    Fname		Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Bob		Gibson		5	3	3	4	1	55
    Smoky Joe	Williams	6	1	3	3	1	50
    Kid		Nichols		3	4	3	0	2	42
    Steve		Carlton		1	3	3	0	3	29
    Carl		Hubbell		0	1	3	4	2	23
    Juan		Marichal	0	2	1	0	2	13
    Three Finger	Brown		1	1	1	0	0	12
    Sandy		Koufax		0	2	1	0	1	12
    Whitey		Ford		0	1	0	1	0	6
    Mariano		Rivera		1	0	0	0	1	6
    Nolan		Ryan		1	0	0	0	1	6
    Robin		Roberts		0	0	0	2	0	4
    Phil		Niekro		0	0	0	1	1	3
    Tim		Keefe		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Jim		Palmer		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Gaylord		Perry		0	0	0	1	0	2
    John		Clarkson	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Amos		Rusie		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Johan		Santana		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 15
    Code:
    Fname		Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Kid		Nichols		5	6	2	1	0	57
    Smoky Joe	Williams	5	3	3	2	0	50
    Steve		Carlton		6	1	3	1	3	48
    Carl		Hubbell		0	3	4	2	0	28
    Three Finger	Brown		2	0	2	1	1	19
    Juan		Marichal	0	2	0	2	3	15
    Whitey		Ford		0	1	1	1	2	11
    Sandy		Koufax		0	1	1	1	0	9
    Nolan		Ryan		1	0	0	1	1	8
    Tim		Keefe		0	1	1	0	0	7
    Mariano		Rivera		0	1	0	1	0	6
    Gaylord		Perry		0	0	0	2	1	5
    Robin		Roberts		0	0	0	1	3	5
    Phil		Niekro		0	0	1	0	1	4
    Addie		Joss		0	0	0	1	1	3
    Johan		Santana		0	0	1	0	0	3
    John		Clarkson	0	0	0	0	2	2
    Jim		Palmer		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Amos		Rusie		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Bullet		Rogan		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round16
    Code:
    Fname		Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Steve		Carlton		7	5	1	2	0	62
    Smoky Joe	Williams	7	2	4	1	1	58
    Carl		Hubbell		0	5	3	0	1	30
    Three Finger	Brown		3	1	1	2	2	28
    Juan		Marichal	0	3	2	2	3	25
    Nolan		Ryan		2	0	1	2	1	18
    Sandy		Koufax		0	1	1	2	1	12
    Phil		Niekro		0	0	2	1	2	10
    Gaylord		Perry		0	1	0	1	2	8
    Robin		Roberts		0	0	1	2	0	7
    John		Clarkson	0	0	0	2	1	5
    Whitey		Ford		0	0	1	0	2	5
    Bob		Caruthers	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Mariano		Rivera		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Addie		Joss		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Jim		Palmer		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 17
    Code:
    Fname		Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Smoky Joe	Williams	8	3	2	0	0	58
    Carl		Hubbell		2	6	4	1	2	50
    Sandy		Koufax		4	3	1	2	0	39
    Three Finger	Brown		2	4	2	1	0	34
    Juan		Marichal	2	1	1	5	3	30
    Phil		Niekro		0	2	1	1	1	14
    Gaylord		Perry		1	0	1	2	1	13
    Robin		Roberts		0	0	3	0	1	10
    Whitey		Ford		0	0	0	2	3	7
    Nolan		Ryan		0	0	0	2	3	7
    John		Clarkson	0	0	2	0	0	6
    Ed		Walsh		0	0	0	1	2	4
    Charles		Radbourn	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Hoyt		Wilhelm		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Carl		Mays		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Dazzy		Vance		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Addie		Joss		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Tim		Keefe		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Jim		Palmer		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 18
    Code:
    Fname		Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Carl		Hubbell		6	2	2	0	0	44
    Juan		Marichal	3	1	3	1	1	31
    Sandy		Koufax		3	2	0	2	1	28
    Three Finger	Brown		2	3	1	0	1	26
    Robin		Roberts		0	2	1	1	2	15
    Phil		Niekro		0	2	1	1	1	14
    Gaylord		Perry		0	0	2	2	0	10
    John		Clarkson	0	1	1	0	0	7
    Nolan		Ryan		0	0	1	1	2	7
    Whitey		Ford		0	0	0	1	2	4
    Addie		Joss		0	0	0	2	0	4
    Al		Spalding	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Charles		Radbourn	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Ed		Walsh		0	0	0	1	1	3
    Hoyt		Wilhelm		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Tim		Keefe		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Carl		Mays		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Mariano		Rivera		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Amos		Rusie		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Rube		Waddell		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 19
    Code:
    Fname		Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Juan		Marichal	4	3	1	1	0	37
    Three Finger	Brown		2	2	3	1	0	29
    Sandy		Koufax		3	2	1	0	3	29
    Robin		Roberts		2	1	0	2	2	20
    Phil		Niekro		1	1	2	1	1	18
    Nolan		Ryan		0	1	2	3	1	17
    Gaylord		Perry		1	2	1	0	0	16
    Whitey		Ford		0	0	2	0	0	6
    Mariano		Rivera		1	0	0	0	1	6
    John		Clarkson	0	1	0	0	1	5
    Addie		Joss		0	0	1	1	0	5
    Al		Spalding	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Charles		Radbourn	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Tim		Keefe		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Carl		Mays		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Amos		Rusie		0	0	0	0	2	2
    Johan		Santana		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Rube		Waddell		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Hoyt		Wilhelm		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Roy		Halladay	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Eddie		Plank		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ed		Walsh		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 20.
    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Mordecai	Brown		6	4	2	0	1	53
    Sandy		Koufax		4	4	2	1	0	44
    Nolan		Ryan		1	3	2	2	2	29
    Phil		Niekro		0	4	1	0	0	19
    Gaylord		Perry		2	1	0	2	0	18
    John		Clarkson	2	0	1	1	1	16
    Robin		Roberts		1	0	1	2	4	16
    Whitey		Ford		0	0	3	2	2	15
    Jim		Palmer		0	0	2	2	1	11
    Rube		Waddell		0	2	0	0	2	10
    Ed		Walsh		1	0	1	0	0	8
    Tim		Keefe		0	1	1	0	0	7
    Mariano		Rivera		1	0	0	0	0	5
    Amos		Rusie		0	0	1	1	0	5
    Addie		Joss		0	0	1	0	1	4
    Bullet		Rogan		0	0	0	1	1	3
    Jose		Mendez		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Bob		Caruthers	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Catfish		Hunter		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Bert		Blyleven	0	0	0	0	2	2
    Hoyt		Wilhelm		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 21.
    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Sandy		Koufax		2	5	4	0	1	43
    Nolan		Ryan		1	3	2	2	2	29
    John		Clarkson	3	0	1	1	0	20
    Phil		Niekro		0	3	2	0	2	20
    Gaylord		Perry		2	1	0	2	0	18
    Whitey		Ford		0	0	4	1	3	17
    Robin		Roberts		1	0	1	3	3	17
    Jim		Palmer		0	0	2	3	1	13
    Tim		Keefe		0	2	0	2	0	12
    Rube		Waddell		0	1	0	1	1	7
    Eddie		Plank		0	1	0	1	0	6
    Amos		Rusie		0	0	2	0	0	6
    Lefty		Gomez		1	0	0	0	0	5
    Addie		Joss		0	1	0	0	1	5
    Bullet		Rogan		0	1	0	0	1	5
    Mariano		Rivera		0	1	0	0	0	4
    Ed		Walsh		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Bert		Blyleven	0	0	0	0	2	2
    Bob		Caruthers	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Catfish		Hunter		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Jose		Mendez		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Bill		Foster		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Hoyt		Wilhelm		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 22.
    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Nolan		Ryan		3	0	3	2	3	31
    Phil		Niekro		0	4	1	2	0	23
    John		Clarkson	3	0	2	0	0	21
    Gaylord		Perry		2	1	1	1	1	20
    Whitey		Ford		0	1	3	1	4	19
    Robin		Roberts		1	0	3	1	3	19
    Jim		Palmer		0	0	3	3	0	15
    Tim		Keefe		0	2	0	2	0	12
    Eddie		Plank		0	1	0	1	2	8
    Rube		Waddell		0	1	0	2	0	8
    Bullet		Rogan		0	1	0	0	2	6
    Amos		Rusie		0	0	2	0	0	6
    Lefty		Gomez		1	0	0	0	0	5
    Addie		Joss		0	1	0	0	1	5
    Mariano		Rivera		0	1	0	0	0	4
    Bert		Blyleven	0	0	0	1	1	3
    Ed		Walsh		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Bob		Caruthers	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Catfish		Hunter		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Jose		Mendez		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Bill		Foster		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Hoyt		Wilhelm		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Last edited by Bill Burgess; 08-29-2011, 02:59 PM.

  • #2
    Pitchers Form Chart:

    Pre - 1900: Tim Keefe, John "Monte" Ward, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Jim "Pud" Galvin, Mickey Welch, Sadie McMahon, Jim McCormick, Charlie "Old Hoss" Radbourne, Amos Rusie, Jim Whitney, Larry Corcoran, Clark Griffith, Al Spalding, Charlie Ferguson, Tony Mullane, Silver King, Bobby Mathews, Tommy Bond, Jim Creighton, Gus Weyhing, Jack Stivetts, Will White, Ted Breitenstein, Adonis Terry, Will White, Charlie Buffington, Bill Hutchison, Guy Hecker, Terry Larkin, George Bradley, Fred Goldsmith, Ed Morris, Dave Foutz, Toad Ramsey, Jim Devlin, Matt Kilroy, Ben Sanders, Elton Chamberlain.

    1900-1930: Rube Waddell, Addie Joss, Ed Walsh, Eddie Plank, Joe McGinnity, Chief Bender, Ed Reulbach, Nap Rucker, Wilbur Cooper, Deacon Phillippe, Dazzy Vance, Stan Coveleski, Herb Pennock, Carl Mays, Ed Cicotte, Bill Dinneen, Ted Lyons, Eppa Rixey, Vic Willis, Hippo Vaughn, Dutch Leonard, Urban Shocker, Burleigh Grimes, Doc White, Nick Altrock, Sam Jones, Jack Coombs, Joe Wood, Jack Chesbro, Jim Bagby, Bullet Joe Bush, Waite Hoyt, Red Faber, Bob Shawkey, Ray Caldwell, Ray Collins, George Mogridge, Earl Hamilton, George Uhle, Eddie Rommel, Dolph Luque.

    1930-1960: Dizzy Dean, Whitey Ford, Robin Roberts, Wes Ferrell, Bob Lemon, Lefty Gomez, Hal Newhouser, Red Ruffing, Bucky Walters, Early Wynn, Billy Pierce, Don Newcombe, Tommy Bridges, Lon Warneke, Mel Harder, Bob Turley, Harry Breechen and Bobby Shantz.

    1960-1980: Gaylord Perry, Phil Niekro, Jim "Catfish" Hunter, Ferguson Jenkins, Wilbur Wood, Don Drysdale, Jim Bunning, Mickey Lolich, Luis Tiant, Sparky Lyle, Tommy John, Jim Kaat, Bert Blyleven, Lew Burdette, Curt Simmons, Harvey Haddix, Johnny Antonelli, Vern Law, Bob Purkey, Johnny Podres, Joe Nuxhall, Ron Perranoski, Bob Veale, Dick Ellsworth, Jim Maloney, Chris Short, Bob Friend, Jim Palmer, Milt Pappas, Jerry Koosman, Dock Ellis, Sam McDowell, Jim 'Mudcat' Grant.

    1980-Present: Curt Schilling, Jack Morris, Kevin Brown, John Smoltz, Mike Mussina, Tom Glavine, Dave Stieb, Johan Santana, David Cone.

    Negro Leagues:

    Wilbur "Bullet Joe" Rogan, (1917-1938)
    "Cannonball" Dick Redding, (1911-1938)
    Dave Brown, (1918-1925)
    Andrew "Rube" Foster, (1902-1926)
    Bill 'Willie' Foster, (1923-1938)
    Ray Brown (1930-1948)
    Hilton Smith (1932-1948
    Jesse 'Nip" Winters (1920-1933)
    Will 'Cannonball' Jackman (1925-1936)
    Jose Mendez (1908-1926)
    John Donaldson (1913-1934)
    Walter Ball (1903-1923)

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    • #3
      My Slate of Candidates for this round. Numbers following indicate where Bill James ranked them in 2001.

      1. Addie Joss 82
      2. Amos Rusie 30
      3. Rube Waddell 55
      4. Eddie Plank 36
      5. "Bullet Joe" Rogan (Neg L) unranked

      Next up.

      Dazzy Vance 37
      Kid Nichols
      Carl Hubbell

      Might I persuade any of you guys to consider voting in our other polls?

      18th Greatest Hitter

      52th Greatest Player

      Wagner/Mays?

      I would consider it a great favor if you did.
      Last edited by Bill Burgess; 09-04-2011, 04:57 PM.

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      • #4
        Ugh! Not to be negative, but I firmly believe there are at least a half dozen other pitchers who should be ranked above Ryan. Oh well, that's life in a democratic voting system. Okay, let's move on. Ugh!

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        • #5
          Yeah, democracy sucks. But what else do we have that won't bring open warfare? Let's get those ballots in here, my friends! All aboard! Here we GO! (Just like Mike Goldberg of the UFC.)

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          • #6
            John Clarkson
            Tim Keefe
            Robin Roberts
            Phil Niekro
            Eddie Plank

            Whitey Ford
            Gaylord Perry
            Ed Walsh
            Amos Rusie
            Jim Palmer

            then again Jenkins, Vance, Waddell, Old Hoss, or someone else could be in there when the time comes

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            • #7
              Bumping this.

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              • #8
                It's Phil Niekro with the win. Sorry for the delay. Working on the others.

                Code:
                FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
                Phil		Niekro		1	3	2	1	0	25
                John		Clarkson	3	1	1	0	0	22
                Gaylord		Perry		2	0	2	2	1	21
                Robin		Roberts		1	0	4	0	4	21
                Whitey		Ford		1	0	2	1	5	18
                Jim		Palmer		0	1	1	4	0	15
                Tim		Keefe		0	2	0	2	0	12
                Rube		Waddell		0	0	3	0	0	9
                Eddie		Plank		0	1	0	1	2	8
                Bullet		Rogan		0	1	0	1	2	8
                Addie		Joss		1	0	0	1	0	7
                Amos		Rusie		0	1	0	1	0	6
                Lefty		Gomez		1	0	0	0	0	5
                Ed		Walsh		0	0	1	0	2	5
                Bert		Blyleven	0	0	0	2	0	4
                Mariano		Rivera		0	1	0	0	0	4
                Bob		Caruthers	0	0	0	1	0	2
                Catfish		Hunter		0	0	0	1	0	2
                Jose		Mendez		0	0	0	1	0	2
                Bill		Foster		0	0	0	0	1	1
                Fergie		Jenkins		0	0	0	0	1	1
                Hoyt		Wilhelm		0	0	0	0	1	1
                "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

                - Alvin Dark

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