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  • Greatest Player by Position: Round 5

    Greetings members of the Fever. Every year, I conduct an unofficial survey on who we believe to be the top ten at each position. It's going on its fifth-year anniversary, so I hope to continue it with much support.

    All you have to do is post your ballot of the top ten players at the designated position. The system is the familiar point assignments: 10 points for first place, 9 for second, etc. When I close the voting, I tally up everyone's ballot and release the year's unofficial top ten.

    We start with catchers for round one. Post your top ten catchers according to any criteria you seem fit. All I ask is that after each place, you assign points for the slot (10 for your all-time best, 9 for second, etc.) Though the rankings are on you, please consider a player's career across all positions.

    The only rule: players must have played American MLB baseball. This is the first year I've decided to exclude Negro Leaguers. Also, if there are any discrepancies in the ballots, I reserve the right to withhold your ballot until the issue is cleared up (I will send you a private message).

    For future reference, the following players have been considered eligible these positions since we only vote for them once (i.e. Ernie Banks is only in the shortstop round and not considered in the first basemen round):
    Ernie Banks- shortstop
    Pete Rose- Left field
    Stan Musial- Left field
    Alex Rodriguez- shortstop
    Dick Allen- first base
    Paul Molitor- third base
    Willie Stargell- left field
    Harmon Killebrew- first base
    Rod Carew- second base
    Darrell Evans- third base

    Also note that there is no DH round, so consider players like Edgar Martinez and Frank Thomas for their main fielding position.
    ---------------------------
    Time to move on to shortstop.
    1) Mike Schmidt- 150 pts
    2) Eddie Mathews- 132 pts
    3) George Brett- 120 pts
    4) Wade Boggs- 104 pts
    5) Chipper Jones- 93 pts
    6) Ron Santo- 69 pts
    7) Brooks Robinson- 36 pts
    8) Frank Baker- 34 pts
    9) Paul Molitor- 28 pts
    10) Scott Rolen- 18 pts
    Code:
    	2008		2009		2010		2011		Average
    1	Wagner (148)	Wagner (110)	Wagner (158)	Wagner (214)	Wagner (157.5)				
    2	A-Rod (133)	A-Rod (77)	Vaughan (116)	A-Rod (180)	A-Rod (120.5)				
    3	Lloyd (103)**	Vaughan (72)	Ripken (104)	Ripken (153)	Vaughan (104.5)			
    4	Vaughan (101)	Ripken (65)	A-Rod (102)	Vaughan (129)	Ripken (102.5)				
    5	Ripken (88)	Yount (62)	Lloyd (79)**	Banks (99)	Lloyd (82)**				
    6	Banks (64)	Lloyd (61)**	Yount (73)	Yount (96)	Yount (71.75)				
    7	Yount (50)	Banks (41)	Banks (71)	Lloyd (85)**	Banks (68.75)				
    8	Larkin (30)	Davis (26)	Davis (47)	Jeter (82)	Davis (34)				
    9	Cronin (22)	Jeter (24)	Jeter (39)	Davis (41)	Jeter (30.25)				
    10	G. Davis (22)	O. Smith (19)	Larkin (30)	Appling (35)	Larkin (19.75)				
    			Larkin (19)
    "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

  • #2
    1. Honus Wagner- 10 pts
    2. Alex Rodriguez- 9 pts
    3. Arky Vaughan- 8 pts
    4. Cal Ripken- 7 pts
    5. Ernie Banks- 6 pts
    6. Robin Yount- 5 pts
    7. Joe Cronin- 4 pts
    8. George Davis- 3 pts
    9. Barry Larkin- 2 pts
    10. Derek Jeter- 1 pt
    Last edited by Tyrus4189Cobb; 02-25-2012, 05:56 AM.
    "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

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    • #3
      1. Honus Wagner- 10 pts
      2. Alex Rodriguez- 9 pts
      3. Arky Vaughan- 8 pts
      4. Cal Ripken Jr.- 7 pts
      5. Ernie Banks- 6 pts
      6. Robin Yount- 5 pts
      7. Derek Jeter- 4 pts
      8. Joe Cronin- 3 pts
      9. Barry Larkin- 2 pts
      10. Ozzie Smith- 1 pt
      Chop! Chop! Chop!

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      • #4
        1. Wagner (10)
        2. A Rod (9)
        3. Ripken (8)
        4. Vaughan (7)
        5. Banks (6)
        6. Yount (5)
        7. Davis (4)
        8. Jeter (3)
        9. Trammell (2)
        10. Larkin (1)

        Up next would be Cronin, Boudreau, Appling, Dahlen and Ozzie
        Jeter hasn't done anything to move up from last year. Ripken has as good a peak as anyone below him and not way lower than ARod when you factor in defense.
        Last edited by PVNICK; 02-22-2012, 04:02 AM. Reason: forgot to read rules took out Lloyd added Larkin

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        • #5
          Honus Wagner 10
          Alex Rodriguez 9
          Arky Vaughn 8
          Cal Ripken JR 7
          Goerge Davis 6
          Derek Jeter 5
          Robin Yount 4
          Ernie Banks 3
          Luke Appling 2
          Joe Cronin 1
          Last edited by chicagowhitesox1173; 02-21-2012, 12:14 PM.
          "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

          "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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          • #6
            1. Honus Wagner
            2. Alex Rodriguez
            3. Arky Vaughan
            4. Cal Ripken Jr.
            5. George Davis
            6. Robin Yount
            7. Ernie Banks
            8. Derek Jeter
            9. Luke Appling
            10. Barry Larkin

            Best Hall of Famer not on the list: Lou Boudreau

            Best eligible non-Hall of Famer not on the list: Bill Dahlen

            Best ineligible non-Hall of Famer not on the list: Nomar Garciaparra
            Last edited by AstrosFan; 02-21-2012, 12:57 PM.
            "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

            - Alvin Dark

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            • #7
              Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
              1. Wagner (10)
              2. Lloyd (9)
              3. A Rod (8)
              4. Ripken (7)
              5. Vaughan (6)
              6. Banks (5)
              7. Yount (4)
              8. Davis (3)
              9. Jeter (2)
              10. Trammell (1)
              Lloyd is not eligible
              "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

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              • #8
                1. Honus Wagner [10]
                2. Alex Rodriguez [9]
                3. Nomar Garciaparra [8]
                4. Arky Vaughn [7]
                5. Joe Cronin [6]
                6. Ernie Banks [5]
                7. Cal Ripken [4]
                8. Vern Stephens [3]
                9. Luke Appling [2]
                10. Derek Jeter [1]

                Honorable Mention: Lou Boudreau, Travis Jackson, Cecil Travis, Alan Trammell, Michael Young, Robin Yount

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                • #9
                  1. Honus Wagner
                  2. Alex Rodriguez
                  3. Arky Vaughan
                  4. Cal Ripken Jr.
                  5. Robin Yount
                  6. George Davis
                  7. Ernie Banks
                  8. Barry Larkin
                  9. Derek Jeter
                  10. Luke Appling

                  Next 6 (in no particular order): Joe Cronin, Alan Trammel, Pee Wee Reese, Ozzie Smith, Bill Dahlen, Lou Bodreau
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by leewileyfan View Post
                    1. Honus Wagner [10]
                    2. Alex Rodriguez [9]
                    3. Nomar Garciaparra [8]
                    4. Arky Vaughn [7]
                    5. Joe Cronin [6]
                    6. Ernie Banks [5]
                    7. Cal Ripken [4]
                    8. Vern Stephens [3]
                    9. Luke Appling [2]
                    10. Derek Jeter [1]

                    Honorable Mention: Lou Boudreau, Travis Jackson, Cecil Travis, Alan Trammell, Michael Young, Robin Yount
                    Had he remained healthy, I think it's extremely likely Garciaparra would have been a top 10 SS, very possibly a top 5 guy. But, his run of excellence was short, due to injuries. I can't see him as a top 10 guy, as good as he was for 5 or 6 years.

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                    • #11
                      1. Honus Wagner
                      2. Alex Rodriguez
                      3. Arky Vaughan
                      4. Cal Ripken Jr.
                      5. Robin Yount
                      6. Ernie Banks

                      7. Joe Cronin
                      8. Barry Larkin
                      9. Derek Jeter
                      10. Lou Bodreau
                      You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the $%#%! plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BigRon View Post
                        Had he remained healthy, I think it's extremely likely Garciaparra would have been a top 10 SS, very possibly a top 5 guy. But, his run of excellence was short, due to injuries. I can't see him as a top 10 guy, as good as he was for 5 or 6 years.
                        That is what I thought when I saw his list. But my gut tells me Nomar should be in the HOF.
                        Chop! Chop! Chop!

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                        • #13
                          1. Honus Wagner
                          2. Alex Rodriguez
                          ---------------------
                          3. Arky Vaughan
                          4. Cal Ripken
                          ---------------------
                          5. Robin Yount
                          6. Joe Cronin
                          ---------------------
                          7. Ernie Banks
                          8. George Davis
                          ---------------------
                          9. Barry Larkin
                          10. Luke Appling
                          ---------------------
                          Ozzie Smith
                          Vern Stephens
                          Derek Jeter
                          Lou Bodreau
                          Alan Trammel
                          Nomar Garciapara
                          Bad Bill Dahlen
                          Phil Rizzuto
                          Pee Wee Reese
                          Rabbit Maranaville
                          Last edited by bluesky5; 02-23-2012, 05:23 PM.
                          "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BigRon View Post
                            Had he remained healthy, I think it's extremely likely Garciaparra would have been a top 10 SS, very possibly a top 5 guy. But, his run of excellence was short, due to injuries. I can't see him as a top 10 guy, as good as he was for 5 or 6 years.
                            Over all these years I've just seen too many guys forgotten or discarded because of injuries and abbreviated careers. Heck, my favorites have always included Cecil Travis, Travis Jackson and Lou Boudreau; and in more recent years, Robin Yount and Alan Trammell have been outstanding. Then too, aside from Ozzie Smith, there have been great defenders at SS, like Eddie Miller and Gene Alley.

                            I "gave" Nomar absolutely nothing. He earned such placement by sheer and consistent production. His injuries hurt both his hitting and his defense, a double-barreled hit to his career. Then the Sox screwed over the best player in the franchise in a generation.

                            He belongs. [IMVHO].
                            Last edited by leewileyfan; 02-21-2012, 05:24 PM.

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                            • #15
                              I always liked Nomar but those steroid allegations scare me about him. It's hard for me to put him over Cronin, Appling or Jeter too. Plus he only had 6 years with 130 games played. I have a hard time putting a guy with a short career over guys who had long careers.

                              I give tons of credit to losing time to war but an injury plagued career doesnt cut it for me.

                              With the war credit I dont care if your Charlie Gehringer who lost time at the end of his career or if your Gil Hodges who lost time at the beggining of his career---In my book your getting war credit. I think Cecil Travis is a good pick especially losing 4 years to military and his career.
                              Last edited by chicagowhitesox1173; 02-21-2012, 06:00 PM.
                              "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

                              "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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