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  • George Hendrick vs Juan Gonzalez

    I'm going to run a series of polls with the winner advancing each time to face another opponent. Will leave each poll up for a week. I'll try to provide as much statistical information as possible. Hopefully we can get some lively insightful debates going and bring to light some overlooked players from yesteryear.
    If you could pick between these two players to start your franchise with which would you pick? Please consider all relavent information. Their careers as a whole, peak performance, hitting, fielding, baserunning, positional value, league quality, etc.

    George Hendrick

    2048 games
    7834 plate appearances
    7129 at-bats
    941 runs
    1980 hits
    343 doubles
    27 triples
    267 home runs
    1111 RBI
    59 stolen bases
    47 caught stealing
    567 walks
    1013 strikeouts
    .278 AVG
    .329 OBP
    .446 SLG
    .775 OPS
    116 OPS+
    3178 total bases
    1015 runs created
    5.0 RC/G
    94 AIR
    .567 OW%
    .699 Total Average
    .249 Secondary Average
    234.7 Win Shares
    85.5 WSAB
    31.8 WARP1
    27.1 WARP3
    26.9 rWAR
    31.0 fWAR
    29.3 sWAR

    Juan Gonzalez

    1689 games
    7155 plate appearances
    6556 at-bats
    1061 runs
    1936 hits
    388 doubles
    25 triples
    434 home runs
    1404 RBI
    26 stolen bases
    19 caught stealing
    457 walks
    1273 strikeouts
    .295 AVG
    .343 OBP
    .561 SLG
    .904 OPS
    132 OPS+
    3676 total bases
    1222 runs created
    6.7 RC/G
    108 AIR
    .623 OW%
    .871 Total Average
    .336 Secondary Average
    233.1 Win Shares
    113.1 WSAB
    33.5 WARP1
    36.8 WARP3
    33.5 rWAR
    38.6 fWAR
    33.3 sWAR

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    6
    George Hendrick
    16.67%
    1
    Juan Gonzalez
    83.33%
    5

    The poll is expired.

    My dream ballpark dimensions
    LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
    RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
    Location....San Diego

  • #2
    PVNICK, would you care you make your case for Hendrick? I'm not really seeing it...
    My dream ballpark dimensions
    LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
    RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
    Location....San Diego

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    • #3
      If you aren't seeing it than why bother putting him up there? You remain mum on that question that I've asked several times.
      Since you did ask. I felt that Hendrick was seen as a bit of an underachiever for the first few years of his career (OPS+ of 110, 120, 107, 127). In a different time, different place, and with me as his manager he would thrive and give me a first class CF. Juan Gone in a world sans PEDs who knows? I see Hendrick as being a far greater raw talent at the start of his career.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
        If you aren't seeing it than why bother putting him up there? You remain mum on that question that I've asked several times.
        Since you did ask. I felt that Hendrick was seen as a bit of an underachiever for the first few years of his career (OPS+ of 110, 120, 107, 127). In a different time, different place, and with me as his manager he would thrive and give me a first class CF. Juan Gone in a world sans PEDs who knows? I see Hendrick as being a far greater raw talent at the start of his career.
        Just because I'm not seeing it doesn't mean the BBF community may not see it. You've voted against Juan Gonzalez a few times now and for (IMO) inferior players. So just out of curiosity where abouts do you rank Juan Gonzalez all time? I have no problem saying he's in the top 95. I know that is probably generous and most others would have him 200-300. If you have Hendrick ahead of him I'm guessing he is outside your top 500 which causes me to believe you underate his abilities due to the aledged PED usage.
        Gonzalez however was a top prospect in the Rangers organization so there is no reason to question his talent level.
        My dream ballpark dimensions
        LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
        RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
        Location....San Diego

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        • #5
          It's a fair point. When I have done comparison questions once or twice it was with players I could have gone either way on. I haven't done any formal ranking overall. IIRC he didn't appear when I ranked by position at either LF (30 deep) or RF
          (40).

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