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  • Greatest Player by Position: Round 6

    Greetings members of the Fever. Every year, I conduct an unofficial survey on who we believe to be the top ten at each position. It's going on its fifth-year anniversary, so I hope to continue it with much support.

    All you have to do is post your ballot of the top ten players at the designated position. The system is the familiar point assignments: 10 points for first place, 9 for second, etc. When I close the voting, I tally up everyone's ballot and release the year's unofficial top ten.

    We start with catchers for round one. Post your top ten catchers according to any criteria you seem fit. All I ask is that after each place, you assign points for the slot (10 for your all-time best, 9 for second, etc.) Though the rankings are on you, please consider a player's career across all positions.

    The only rule: players must have played American MLB baseball. This is the first year I've decided to exclude Negro Leaguers. Also, if there are any discrepancies in the ballots, I reserve the right to withhold your ballot until the issue is cleared up (I will send you a private message).

    For future reference, the following players have been considered eligible these positions since we only vote for them once (i.e. Ernie Banks is only in the shortstop round and not considered in the first basemen round):
    Ernie Banks- shortstop
    Pete Rose- Left field
    Stan Musial- Left field
    Alex Rodriguez- shortstop
    Dick Allen- first base
    Paul Molitor- third base
    Willie Stargell- left field
    Harmon Killebrew- first base
    Rod Carew- second base
    Darrell Evans- third base

    Also note that there is no DH round, so consider players like Edgar Martinez and Frank Thomas for their main fielding position.
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    After completing SS, let's move on to the outfield.
    1) Honus Wagner- 160 pts
    2) Alex Rodriguez- 144 pts
    3) Arky Vaughan- 117 pts
    4) Cal Ripken- 113 pts
    5) Robin Yount- 83 pts
    6) Ernie Banks- 73 pts
    7) George Davis- 44 pts
    8) Derek Jeter- 42 pts
    9) Joe Cronin- 32 pts
    10) Barry Larkin- 31 pts

    Code:
    	2008		2009		2010		2011		Average
    1	Williams (120)	Williams (126)	Williams (135)	Williams (203)	Williams (146)				
    2	Musial (100)	Bonds (117)	Musial (121)	Musial (176)	Musial (125.25)				
    3	Bonds (95)	Musial (104)	Henderson (99)	Bonds (176)	Bonds (120.75)				
    4	Henderson (79)	Henderson (93)	Bonds (95)	Hender (141)	Henderson (103)			
    5	Yaz (57)	Yaz (77)	Yaz (74)	Yaz (115)	Yaz (105.75)				
    6	Delahanty (45)	Delahanty (42)	J. Jackson (43)	Rose (73)	Delahanty (46.75)			
    7	J. Jackson (43)	Stearnes (29)**	Delahanty (42)	Delahanty (58)	Rose (31.25)				
    8	Ramirez (33)	Rose (29)	Ramirez (32)	Simmons (51)	Ramirez (28.75)			
    9	Simmons (26)	Stargell (27)	Simmons (27)	Ramirez (50)	Simmons (26)				
    10	Raines (26)	Raines (24)	Rose (23)	Stargell (36)	Jackson (21.5)
    "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

  • #2
    1. Ted Williams- 10 pts
    2. Barry Bonds- 9 pts
    3. Stan Musial- 8 pts
    4. Rickey Henderson- 7 pts
    5. Carl Yastrzemski- 6 pts
    6. Ed Delahanty- 5 pts
    7. Joe Jackson- 4 pts
    8. Al Simmons- 3 pts
    9. Pete Rose-2 pts
    10. Billy Williams- 1 pt
    "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

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    • #3
      1. Ted Williams
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      2. Barry Bonds
      3. Stan Musial
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      4. Rickey Henderson
      5. Joe Jackson
      6. Carl Yastrzemski
      7. Ed Delahanty
      ------------------------
      8. Ralph Kiner
      9. Al Simmons
      ------------------------
      10. Pete Rose
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      HM
      Billy Williams
      Joe Medwick
      Fred Clarke
      Jim O'Rourke
      Willie Stargell
      Manny Ramirez
      Tim Raines
      Minnie Minoso
      Goose Goslin
      Crab Burkett
      Lou Brock
      Frank Howard
      "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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      • #4
        1) Barry Bonds - 10 pts
        2) Stan Musial - 9 pts
        3) Ted Williams - 8 pts
        4) Rickey Henderson - 7 pts
        5) Carl Yastrzemski - 6 pts
        6) Pete Rose - 5 pts
        7) Ed Delahanty - 4 pts
        8) Fred Clarke - 3 pts
        9) Manny Ramirez - 2 pts
        10) Tim Raines - 1 pt
        *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DJC View Post
          1) Barry Bonds - 10 pts
          2) Stan Musial - 9 pts
          3) Ted Williams - 8 pts
          4) Rickey Henderson - 7 pts
          5) Carl Yastrzemski - 6 pts
          6) Pete Rose - 5 pts
          7) Ed Delahanty - 4 pts
          8) Fred Clarke - 3 pts
          9) Manny Ramirez - 2 pts
          10) Tim Raines - 1 pt
          Just curious if you give Clarke credit for managing?
          "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
            Just curious if you give Clarke credit for managing?
            Nope, just his playing contributions.
            *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

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            • #7
              Left Fielders:

              1. Ted Williams [10]
              2. Barry Bonds [9]
              3. Stan Musial [8]
              4. Al Simmons [7]
              5. Rickey Henderson [6]
              6. Joe Medwick [5]
              7. Carl Yastrzemski [4]
              8. Tim Raines [3]
              9. Bob Johnson [2]
              10. Ken Williams [1]

              Albert Belle is dropped off. Apologies still go out to Jimmie Sheckard.
              Last edited by leewileyfan; 02-25-2012, 07:41 PM.

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              • #8
                1. Ted Williams
                2. Barry Bonds
                3. Stan Musial
                4. Rickey Henderson
                5. Carl Yastrzemski
                6. Manny Ramirez
                7. Willie Stargell
                8. Tim Raines
                9. Joe Jackson
                10. Al Simmons

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                • #9
                  1. Ted Williams
                  2. Barry Bonds
                  3. Stan Musial
                  4. Rickey Henderson
                  5. Carl Yastrzemski
                  6. Al Simmons
                  7. Joe Jackson
                  8. Ed Delahanty
                  9. Pete Rose
                  10. Tim Raines


                  Billy Williams, Manny Rameriz and Willie Stargell are right there too.
                  Last edited by chicagowhitesox1173; 02-25-2012, 08:38 PM.
                  "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

                  "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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                  • #10
                    1. Barry Bonds
                    2. Ted Williams
                    3. Stan Musial
                    4. Rickey Henderson
                    5. Carl Yastrzremski
                    6. Pete Rose
                    7. Ed Delehanty
                    8. Joe Jackson
                    9. Al Simmons
                    10.Fred Clarke

                    HM: Manny Ramirez, Tim Raines, Jesse Burkett,
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Joltin' Joe View Post
                      1. Ted Williams
                      2. Barry Bonds
                      3. Stan Musial
                      4. Rickey Henderson
                      5. Carl Yastrzemski
                      6. Manny Ramirez
                      7. Willie Stargell
                      8. Tim Raines
                      9. Joe Jackson
                      10. Al Simmons
                      I actually forgot about Pete Rose, didn't even know where to put him as he played so many different positions. I see now that the OP has him at LF...

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                      • #12
                        1. Ted Williams
                        2. Barry Bonds
                        3. Stan Musial
                        4. Rickey Henderson
                        5. Carl Yastrzemski
                        6. Ed Delahanty
                        7. Pete Rose
                        8. Tim Raines
                        9. Shoeless Joe Jackson
                        10. Manny Ramirez

                        Best Hall of Famer not on the list: Al Simmons

                        Best eligible non-Hall of Famer not on the list: Minnie Minoso

                        Best ineligible non-Hall of Famer not on the list: Lance Berkman
                        "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

                        - Alvin Dark

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by leewileyfan View Post
                          Left Fielders:

                          1. Ted Williams [10]
                          2. Barry Bonds [9]
                          3. Stan Musial [8]
                          4. Rickey Henderson [7]
                          5. Carl Yastrzemski [6]
                          6. Joe Medwick [5]
                          7. Bob Johnson [4]
                          8. Tim Raines [3]
                          9. Ken Williams [2]
                          10. Albert Belle [1]

                          With apologies to Jimmy Sheckard, great LF of the first decade of the 1900s who just missed on relative batting run production.
                          I think Ken Williams and Bob Johnson were both fine players but they certainly weren't a Al Simmons. I can kinda see a case for Medwick but Albert Belle is a pretty odd pick especially over Manny Rameriz who played in the same era.
                          "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

                          "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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                          • #14
                            1) Barry Bonds
                            2) Ted Williams
                            3) Stan Musial
                            4) Rickey Henderson
                            5) Carl Yastrzemski
                            6) Pete Rose
                            7) Ed Delahanty
                            8) Fred Clarke
                            9) Jim O'Rourke
                            10) Tim Raines
                            HM
                            Willie Stargell
                            Minnie Minoso
                            Al Simmons
                            Billy Williams
                            Manny Ramirez

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                            • #15
                              WOW! My mind went out to lunch on my list. I listed my choices in Post #7. I am now going back to EDIT post 7 to make my corrected and final LF listing. I understand that's OK as long as you do it before the posting window closes. See post 7, as edited.

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