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  • ian2813
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    Voting is now closed. Results will be up shortly, though my research is currently incomplete for the 1910 season, because I've had a crazy week. I may have the 1910 thread up later, or I may have to take the week off. We'll see what I'm able to do in the next few hours.

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  • Tyrus4189Cobb
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    AL
    Baker
    Bush
    Engle

    NL
    Miller
    Hoblitzell
    Gaspar

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  • ian2813
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    There's about a day left. Anybody else want to get a vote in?

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  • bluesky5
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    AL
    Baker
    Bush
    Engle

    NL
    D. Miller
    Hobitzell
    Gaspar

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  • Cowtipper
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    Baker
    Wood
    Bush

    Gaspar
    Hoblitzel
    D. Miller

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  • ian2813
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    We've got three votes so far. Anyone else?

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  • RUKen
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    Baker
    Bush
    Wood

    Adams
    D Miller
    Abstein

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  • PVNICK
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    AL
    Bush - rookie SS + pennant tips the scale
    Baker
    Engle

    NL
    Adams - in keeping with my pennant theme
    Miller
    Hoblitzell

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  • Nerdlinger
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    AL
    1) Donie Bush
    2) Home Run Baker
    3) Clyde Engle

    NL
    1) Dots Miller
    2) Dick Hoblitzell
    3) Babe Adams

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  • ian2813
    started a topic Retrospective Rookie of the Year Award: 1909

    Retrospective Rookie of the Year Award: 1909

    1909 is here! It was an underrated season that saw two NL teams win 104+ games and the Tigers win their third straight pennant (only to lose their third straight World Series to Honus Wagner's powerhouse Pirates).

    In order to cast a ballot, please rank your top three choices in both the American League and the National League. Select only from the lists below, please.

    Voting will close at 6 AM Central Time on Sunday, March 4.

    1909 American League Rookie Position Players
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    Player             B Ag Lg Tm    G  PA  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS  BB  SO    BA   OBP   SLG   OPS OPS+ TB HP SH DP tWAR bWAR oWAR dWAR pWAR Pos
    Jimmy Austin       S 29 AL NYY 136 500 437  37 101 11  5  1  39 30     32  60 0.231 0.285 0.286 0.571  80 125  1 30     1.1  1.1  1.5 -0.4  0.0 *56/4
    Home Run Baker     L 23 AL PHA 148 606 541  73 165 27 19  4  85 20     26  47 0.305 0.343 0.447 0.790 147 242  5 34     5.6  5.6  5.6  0.0  0.0 *5
    Donie Bush         S 21 AL DET 157 676 532 114 145 18  2  0  33 53     88  76 0.273 0.380 0.314 0.694 116 167  4 52     6.9  6.9  6.2  0.7  0.0 *6
    Willis Cole        R 27 AL CHW  46 187 165  17  39  7  3  0  16  3     16  19 0.236 0.308 0.315 0.623 100  52  1  5     0.4  0.4  0.7 -0.3  0.0 O
    Birdie Cree        R 26 AL NYY 104 395 343  48  90  6  3  2  27 10     30  30 0.262 0.338 0.315 0.653 105 108  9 13     1.4  1.4  1.6 -0.2  0.0 O/645
    Ray Demmitt        L 25 AL NYY 123 498 427  68 105 12 12  4  30 16     55  43 0.246 0.340 0.358 0.698 119 153  6 10     2.7  2.7  2.9 -0.2  0.0 *O
    Ted Easterly       L 24 AL CLE  98 308 287  32  75 14 10  1  27  8     13  29 0.261 0.293 0.390 0.684 112 112  0  8     1.6  1.6  1.8 -0.2  0.0 2
    Clyde Engle        R 25 AL NYY 135 563 492  66 137 20  5  3  71 18     47  54 0.278 0.347 0.358 0.705 122 176  5 19     3.9  3.9  2.9  1.0  0.0 *O
    Charlie French     L 25 AL BOS  51 189 167  15  42  3  1  0  13  8     15  19 0.251 0.324 0.281 0.606  90  47  3  4     0.6  0.6  0.7 -0.1  0.0 46
    Art Griggs         R 24 AL SLB 108 401 364  38 102 17  5  0  43 11     24  36 0.280 0.330 0.354 0.684 123 129  3 10     1.2  1.2  1.8 -0.6  0.0 3O/46
    Heinie Heitmuller  R 26 AL PHA  64 239 210  36  60  9  8  0  15  7     18  36 0.286 0.351 0.405 0.755 136  85  3  8     1.8  1.8  1.6  0.2  0.0 O
    Harry Hooper       L 21 AL BOS  81 282 255  29  72  3  4  0  12 15     16  27 0.282 0.337 0.325 0.662 107  83  5  6     0.8  0.8  0.8  0.0  0.0 O
    Jack Lelivelt      L 23 AL WSH  91 345 318  25  93  8  6  0  24  8     19  41 0.292 0.334 0.355 0.690 122 113  1  7     1.2  1.2  0.8  0.4  0.0 O
    Jack McAleese      R 30 AL SLB  85 312 267  33  57  7  0  0  12 18     32  29 0.213 0.318 0.240 0.558  82  64  9  4    -0.1 -0.1  0.5 -0.6  0.0 O/5
    Yip Owens          R 23 AL CHW  64 193 174  12  35  4  1  0  17  3      8  18 0.201 0.245 0.236 0.480  54  41  2  9    -0.4 -0.4  0.1 -0.5  0.0 2
    Oscar Stanage      R 26 AL DET  77 269 252  17  66  8  6  0  21  2     11  26 0.262 0.298 0.341 0.639  98  86  2  4     1.2  1.2  1.2  0.0  0.0 2
    1909 American League Rookie Pitchers
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    Pitcher            T Ag Lg Tm   W  L  W-L%   ERA  G GS GF CG ST SV    IP   H   R  ER HR  BB  SO HP BK WP   BF ERA+ WHIP tWAR bWAR oWAR dWAR pWAR
    Ray Collins        L 22 AL BOS  4  3 0.571  2.81 12  8  3  4  2  0  73.7  70  29  23  2  18  31  0  0  4  278  90 1.195  0.3 -0.1  0.0 -0.1  0.4
    Dolly Gray         L 30 AL WSH  5 19 0.208  3.59 36 26  7 19  0  0 218.0 210 123  87  1  77  87  9  0  5  899  68 1.317 -4.0 -0.4 -0.2 -0.2 -3.6
    Bob Groom          R 24 AL WSH  7 26 0.212  2.87 44 31  9 17  1  0 260.7 218 114  83  2 105 131 13  0 10 1070  85 1.239 -0.8 -0.8 -0.6 -0.2  0.0
    Tom Hughes         R 25 AL NYY  7  8 0.467  2.65 24 15  8  9  2  2 118.7 109  42  35  3  37  69  4  0  0  479  95 1.230  1.6  0.0  0.0  0.0  1.6
    Larry Pape         R 23 AL BOS  2  0 1.000  2.04 11  3  6  2  1  2  57.3  46  17  13  0  12  18  5  0  2  225 124 1.012  0.9 -0.1  0.0 -0.1  1.0
    Jack Quinn         R 25 AL NYY  9  5 0.643  1.97 23 11 12  8  0  1 118.7 110  45  26  1  24  36  4  0  2  464 128 1.129  1.2  0.0  0.1 -0.1  1.2
    Jim Scott          R 21 AL CHW 12 12 0.500  2.30 36 29  6 20  4  0 250.3 194  86  64  0  93 135 16  0  6  978 102 1.146  1.3 -0.4 -0.2 -0.2  1.7
    Kid Speer          L 23 AL DET  4  4 0.500  2.83 12  8  3  4  0  1  76.3  88  39  24  2  13  12  4  0  4  317  90 1.323 -1.0 -0.2 -0.1 -0.1 -0.8
    Harry Suter        L 21 AL CHW  2  3 0.400  2.47 18  7 11  3  1  1  87.3  72  34  24  2  28  53  4  0  1  394  96 1.145 -0.2 -0.3 -0.2 -0.1  0.1
    Jack Warhop        R 24 AL NYY 13 15 0.464  2.40 36 23 12 21  3  2 243.3 197  84  65  2  81  95 26  0  3  954 105 1.142  3.1 -0.4 -0.2 -0.2  3.5
    Pete Wilson        L 23 AL NYY  6  5 0.545  3.17 14 13  1  7  1  0  93.7  82  55  33  2  43  44  4  0  2  403  80 1.335 -1.7 -0.3 -0.2 -0.1 -1.4
    Smoky Joe Wood     R 19 AL BOS 11  7 0.611  2.18 24 19  3 13  4  0 160.7 121  51  39  1  43  88  6  0  5  629 115 1.021  2.2 -0.2 -0.1 -0.1  2.4
    Ralph Works        R 21 AL DET  4  1 0.800  1.97 16  4 10  4  0  2  64.0  62  19  14  0  17  31  1  0  2  256 129 1.234  0.8 -0.2 -0.1 -0.1  1.0
    1909 National League Rookie Position Players
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    Player             B Ag Lg Tm    G  PA  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS  BB  SO    BA   OBP   SLG   OPS OPS+ TB HP SH DP tWAR bWAR oWAR dWAR pWAR Pos
    Bill Abstein       R 26 NL PIT 137 570 512  51 133 20 10  1  70 16     27  58 0.260 0.302 0.344 0.646  96 176  4 27     0.9  0.9  1.2 -0.3  0.0 *3
    Chick Autry        L 24 NL 2TM  74 271 232  19  45  6  0  0  17  6     23  25 0.194 0.272 0.220 0.492  51  51  2 14    -1.0 -1.0 -1.0  0.0  0.0 3/O
    Fred Beck          L 22 NL BSN  96 364 334  20  66  5  6  2  27  5     17  39 0.198 0.245 0.266 0.512  56  89  4  9    -1.5 -1.5 -1.4 -0.1  0.0 O3
    Bob Bescher        S 25 NL CIN 124 513 446  73 107 17  6  1  34 54     56  74 0.240 0.335 0.312 0.647 102 139  8  3     2.1  2.1  1.8  0.3  0.0 *O
    Wally Clement      L 27 NL 2TM  95 380 343  35  88  8  4  0  17 11     18  35 0.257 0.294 0.303 0.597  88 104  0 19    -0.4 -0.4 -0.2 -0.2  0.0 O
    Jack Coffey        R 22 NL BSN  73 274 257  21  48  4  4  0  20  2     11  36 0.187 0.229 0.233 0.462  41  60  3  3    -1.3 -1.3 -0.5 -0.8  0.0 6
    Tom Downey         R 25 NL CIN 119 468 416  39  96  9  6  1  32 16     32  35 0.231 0.287 0.288 0.576  79 120  1 19     0.4  0.4  1.2 -0.8  0.0 *6/2
    Dick Egan          R 25 NL CIN 127 549 480  59 132 14  3  2  53 39     37  36 0.275 0.329 0.329 0.659 105 158  2 30     3.1  3.1  2.1  1.0  0.0 *46
    Rube Ellis         L 23 NL STL 149 637 575  76 154 10  9  3  46 18     54  78 0.268 0.334 0.332 0.666 112 191  3  5     2.2  2.2  2.0  0.2  0.0 *O
    Steve Evans        L 24 NL STL 143 590 498  67 129 17  6  2  56 14     66  54 0.259 0.362 0.329 0.691 120 164 14 12     1.9  1.9  2.7 -0.8  0.0 *O/3
    Gus Getz           R 19 NL BSN  40 153 148   6  33  2  0  0   9  2      1  11 0.223 0.228 0.236 0.465  42  35  0  4    -0.6 -0.6 -0.7  0.1  0.0 5/46
    Dick Hoblitzell    L 20 NL CIN 142 592 517  59 159 23 11  4  67 17     44  47 0.308 0.364 0.418 0.782 143 216  2 29     4.0  4.0  3.8  0.2  0.0 *3
    Jul Kustus         R 26 NL BRO  53 192 173  12  25  5  0  1  11  9     11  22 0.145 0.204 0.191 0.395  25  33  2  6    -1.4 -1.4 -1.3 -0.1  0.0 O
    Ed Lennox          R 25 NL BRO 126 497 435  33 114 18  9  2  44 11     47  39 0.262 0.337 0.359 0.695 119 156  2 13     1.8  1.8  2.7 -0.9  0.0 *5
    Pryor McElveen     R 27 NL BRO  81 277 258  22  51  8  1  3  25  6     14  45 0.198 0.242 0.271 0.513  62  70  1  4    -0.8 -0.8 -0.4 -0.4  0.0 5O6/34
    Chief Meyers       R 28 NL NYG  90 252 220  15  61 10  5  1  30  3     22  12 0.277 0.359 0.382 0.741 128  84  6  4     1.4  1.4  1.8 -0.4  0.0 2
    Dots Miller        R 22 NL PIT 151 631 560  71 156 31 13  3  87 14     39  50 0.279 0.329 0.396 0.725 120 222  3 29     4.4  4.4  3.5  0.9  0.0 *4
    Ward Miller        L 24 NL 2TM  58 183 169  19  43  3  2  0   8 11     10  13 0.254 0.300 0.296 0.596  84  50  1  3     0.2  0.2  0.3 -0.1  0.0 O
    Rebel Oakes        L 25 NL CIN 120 476 415  55 112 10  5  3  31 23     40  39 0.270 0.341 0.340 0.681 112 141  5 16     1.6  1.6  1.9 -0.3  0.0 *O
    Bill O'Hara        L 25 NL NYG 115 414 360  48  85  9  3  1  30 31     41  39 0.236 0.318 0.286 0.604  86 103  2 11     0.6  0.6  0.6  0.0  0.0 *O
    Dave Shean         R 25 NL 2TM 111 430 379  46  92 13  6  1  33 17     31  34 0.243 0.305 0.317 0.622  90 120  3 17     0.3  0.3  1.0 -0.7  0.0 43/O6
    Fred Stem          L 23 NL BSN  73 272 245  13  51  2  3  0  11  5     12  15 0.208 0.254 0.241 0.495  51  59  3 12    -0.9 -0.9 -1.2  0.3  0.0 3
    1909 National League Rookie Pitchers
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    Pitcher            T Ag Lg Tm   W  L  W-L%   ERA  G GS GF CG ST SV    IP   H   R  ER HR  BB  SO HP BK WP   BF ERA+ WHIP tWAR bWAR oWAR dWAR pWAR
    Babe Adams         R 27 NL PIT 12  3 0.800  1.11 25 12 11  7  3  2 130.0  88  25  16  0  23  65  3  0  1  475 232 0.854  3.6 -0.4 -0.3 -0.1  4.0
    Les Backman        R 21 NL STL  3 11 0.214  4.14 21 15  6  8  0  0 128.3 146  69  59  1  39  35  3  0  4  526  61 1.442 -1.3 -0.3 -0.2 -0.1 -1.0
    Cliff Curtis       R 27 NL BSN  4  5 0.444  1.41 10  9  1  8  2  0  83.0  53  17  13  1  30  22  2  0  3  309 200 1.000  2.5 -0.4 -0.4  0.0  2.9
    Harry Gaspar       R 26 NL CIN 19 11 0.633  2.01 44 29 11 19  4  2 260.0 228  97  58  0  57  65  9  0  3 1010 129 1.096  2.0 -0.7 -0.4 -0.3  2.7
    Rip Hagerman       R 23 NL CHC  4  4 0.500  1.82 13  7  3  4  1  0  79.0  64  29  16  0  28  32  2  0  2  315 140 1.165  0.6 -0.1  0.0 -0.1  0.7
    Bob Harmon         R 21 NL STL  6 11 0.353  3.68 21 17  3 10  0  0 159.0 155  85  65  6  65  48  4  1  7  655  68 1.384 -0.8  0.3  0.3  0.0 -1.1
    Eddie Higgins      R 21 NL STL  3  3 0.500  4.50 16  5  7  5  0  0  66.0  68  36  33  4  17  15  1  0  3  267  56 1.288 -0.7 -0.1  0.0 -0.1 -0.6
    George Hunter      L 21 NL BRO  4 10 0.286  2.46 16 13  3 10  0  0 113.3 104  48  31  2  38  43  3  1  1  451 106 1.253  0.6 -0.2  0.1 -0.3  0.8
    Rube Marquard      L 22 NL NYG  5 13 0.278  2.60 29 21  5  8  0  1 173.0 155  81  50  2  73 109  9  0  8  707  98 1.318 -0.6 -0.4 -0.2 -0.2 -0.2
    Al Mattern         L 26 NL BSN 15 21 0.417  2.85 47 32 14 24  2  3 316.3 322 142 100  4 108  98  3  4 13 1314  98 1.359  0.6 -0.5 -0.4 -0.1  1.1
    Steve Melter       R 23 NL STL  0  1 0.000  3.50 23  1 18  0  0  3  64.3  79  49  25  1  20  24  2  0  7  267  72 1.539 -2.3  0.0  0.0  0.0 -2.3
    Forrest More       R 27 NL 2TM  2 10 0.167  4.74 25  6 14  4  0  0  98.7  95  80  52  0  40  27  7  0  5  407  57 1.368 -2.2 -0.1 -0.1  0.0 -2.1
    John Raleigh       L 22 NL STL  1 10 0.091  3.79 15 10  3  3  0  0  80.7  85  42  34  0  21  26  3  0  2  322  67 1.314 -0.7 -0.3 -0.2 -0.1 -0.4
    Kirby White        R 25 NL BSN  6 13 0.316  3.22 23 19  2 11  1  0 148.3 134  73  53  5  80  53  1  1  6  627  87 1.443  0.3 -0.1  0.0 -0.1  0.4

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