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  • has the AL ever been stronger offensively than it is now?

    look at the list of best players


    albert pujols
    adrian gonzalez
    miggy cabrera
    prince fielder
    joey batista
    curtis granderson
    robinson cano
    josh hamilton
    jacoby ellsbury


    every one of these guys will do great

  • #2
    Ruth, Cobb, Heilmann, Gehrig, Speaker, Collins, Museul, Sisler, Cochrane, Foxx, Simmons...

    I think they match up pretty well.

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    • #3
      All fine hitters, but historically speaking, this upper tier is nothing special. There's almost always a bunch of good hitting first baseman-outfielders around..especially in the AL.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Blackout View Post
        look at the list of best players


        albert pujols
        adrian gonzalez
        miggy cabrera
        prince fielder
        joey batista
        curtis granderson
        robinson cano
        josh hamilton
        jacoby ellsbury


        every one of these guys will do great
        I think it's interesting that six of the nine "best" AL players you list came over from the NL. I'm not sure what it means, but it's interesting.
        They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.

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        • #5
          It's hard to compare current players, especially those who still have a large chuck of their careers ahead of them, to historic players. Curtis Granderson and Jacob Ellsbury are not even great players IMO, or at least not great players over many seasons.
          Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Edgartohof View Post
            Ruth, Cobb, Heilmann, Gehrig, Speaker, Collins, Museul, Sisler, Cochrane, Foxx, Simmons...

            I think they match up pretty well.
            This.
            Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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            • #7
              Here's a pretty good A.L. roster, from the 1941 All Star game:

              Luke Appling Chicago White Sox SS


              Al Benton Detroit Tigers P


              Lou Boudreau Cleveland Indians SS
              6.

              Joe Cronin Boston Red Sox SS


              Roy Cullenbine St. Louis Browns OF


              Bill Dickey New York Yankees C


              Dom DiMaggio Boston Red Sox OF


              Joe DiMaggio New York Yankees OF


              Bobby Doerr Boston Red Sox 2B


              Bob Feller Cleveland Indians P Starting Pitcher


              Jimmie Foxx Boston Red Sox 1B


              Joe Gordon New York Yankees 2B


              Frankie Hayes Philadelphia Athletics C


              Jeff Heath Cleveland Indians OF


              Sid Hudson Washington Senators P


              Charlie Keller New York Yankees OF


              Ken Keltner Cleveland Indians 3B


              Thornton Lee Chicago White Sox P


              Red Ruffing New York Yankees P


              Marius Russo New York Yankees P


              Eddie Smith Chicago White Sox P


              Birdie Tebbetts Detroit Tigers C


              Cecil Travis Washington Senators 3B


              Ted Williams Boston Red Sox OF


              Rudy York Detroit Tigers 1B

              It was a pretty darn good game, too.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Edgartohof View Post
                Ruth, Cobb, Heilmann, Gehrig, Speaker, Collins, Museul, Sisler, Cochrane, Foxx, Simmons...

                I think they match up pretty well.
                Their peaks didn't actually coincide however.
                Meusel was nothing special and don't think he belongs.
                Cochrane was a great player but since OP is talking pure offense, he doesn't belong on this list either.

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                • #9
                  1st half of the 90s (1990-1994):

                  OPS+ 140+ (500 games min.) :

                  AL
                  Code:
                                                          
                  Rk             Player OPS+   G From   To
                  1        Frank Thomas  184 644 1990 1994
                  2         Ken Griffey  156 718 1990 1994
                  3    Rickey Henderson  150 608 1990 1994
                  4        Albert Belle  146 550 1990 1994
                  5        Mark McGwire  145 523 1990 1994
                  6        Jose Canseco  142 575 1990 1994
                  7     Danny Tartabull  141 585 1990 1994
                  8        Paul Molitor  140 694 1990 1994

                  NL
                  Code:
                                                      
                  Rk         Player OPS+   G From   To
                  1     Barry Bonds  185 715 1990 1994
                  2    Jeff Bagwell  155 570 1991 1994
                  3    Fred McGriff  153 569 1991 1994

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                  • #10
                    1st half of the 20s (1920-1924):

                    OPS+ 140+ (500 games min.) :

                    AL
                    Code:
                                                          
                    Rk           Player OPS+   G From   To
                    1         Babe Ruth  229 709 1920 1924
                    2      Tris Speaker  164 699 1920 1924
                    3    Harry Heilmann  158 709 1920 1924
                    4      Ken Williams  149 702 1920 1924
                    5           Ty Cobb  145 677 1920 1924
                    6     George Sisler  145 585 1920 1924


                    NL
                    Code:
                                                          
                    Rk           Player OPS+   G From   To
                    1    Rogers Hornsby  199 707 1920 1924
                    2     Jack Fournier  145 705 1920 1924
                    3         Edd Roush  141 569 1920 1924

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                    • #11
                      Does the steroid era count? Thomas, Griffey, Nomar, Thome, Manny, Edgar, Giambi, A-rod, Delgado. Seven of them had an OPS of over 1.000 in 2000. Griffey was at .960 and Thome was at .929 (off year).

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                      • #12
                        2nd half of the 10s (1915-1919):

                        OPS+ 140+ (500 games min.) :

                        AL
                        Code:
                                                            
                        Rk                 Player OPS+   G From   To
                        1                 Ty Cobb  187 688 1915 1919
                        2            Tris Speaker  156 704 1915 1919
                        3    Shoeless Joe Jackson  154 585 1915 1919
                        4           George Sisler  146 613 1915 1919
                        5             Bobby Veach  144 722 1915 1919

                        NL
                        Code:
                                                              
                        Rk           Player OPS+   G From   To
                        1     Gavvy Cravath  153 631 1915 1919
                        2    Rogers Hornsby  150 555 1915 1919

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                        • #13
                          1st half of the 10s (1910-1914):

                          OPS+ 140+ (500 games min.) :

                          AL
                          Code:
                                                                      
                          Rk                 Player OPS+   G From   To
                          1                 Ty Cobb  198 646 1910 1914
                          2    Shoeless Joe Jackson  186 591 1910 1914
                          3            Tris Speaker  175 734 1910 1914
                          4           Eddie Collins  162 738 1910 1914
                          5          Home Run Baker  154 742 1910 1914
                          6            Sam Crawford  150 759 1910 1914
                          7              Nap Lajoie  144 624 1910 1914


                          NL
                          Code:
                                                              
                          Rk         Player OPS+   G From   To
                                                              
                          1    Sherry Magee  146 691 1910 1914

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by leewileyfan View Post
                            Here's a pretty good A.L. roster, from the 1941 All Star game:

                            Luke Appling Chicago White Sox SS


                            Al Benton Detroit Tigers P


                            Lou Boudreau Cleveland Indians SS
                            6.

                            Joe Cronin Boston Red Sox SS


                            Roy Cullenbine St. Louis Browns OF


                            Bill Dickey New York Yankees C


                            Dom DiMaggio Boston Red Sox OF


                            Joe DiMaggio New York Yankees OF


                            Bobby Doerr Boston Red Sox 2B


                            Bob Feller Cleveland Indians P Starting Pitcher


                            Jimmie Foxx Boston Red Sox 1B


                            Joe Gordon New York Yankees 2B


                            Frankie Hayes Philadelphia Athletics C


                            Jeff Heath Cleveland Indians OF


                            Sid Hudson Washington Senators P


                            Charlie Keller New York Yankees OF


                            Ken Keltner Cleveland Indians 3B


                            Thornton Lee Chicago White Sox P


                            Red Ruffing New York Yankees P


                            Marius Russo New York Yankees P


                            Eddie Smith Chicago White Sox P


                            Birdie Tebbetts Detroit Tigers C


                            Cecil Travis Washington Senators 3B


                            Ted Williams Boston Red Sox OF


                            Rudy York Detroit Tigers 1B

                            It was a pretty darn good game, too.
                            The team would have been even better if Dom DiMaggio and Roy Cullenbine were replaced with Barney McCosky and Walter Judnich.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Joltin' Joe View Post
                              Their peaks didn't actually coincide however.
                              Meusel was nothing special and don't think he belongs.
                              Cochrane was a great player but since OP is talking pure offense, he doesn't belong on this list either.
                              True on 2 of 3 counts.

                              Their peaks did not coincide

                              Meusel doesn't belong, I just started throwing out names and this is what happens.

                              Cochrane, as a hitting Catcher, I think deserves to be there but that's fine.

                              So how about this: let's pick 1927 and go from there.

                              Ruth, Gehrig, Hornsby, Heilman, Paul Waner, Hack Wilson, and Al Simmons

                              That seems to match well still. Ruth and Gehrig beat all here, '27 wasn't even Hornsby's best year and still is great, and the rest were all top notch as well.

                              Edit: it seems that I have named a couple NL players on this list in my haste, guess I should just be quiet and admit defeat

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