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  • BigRon
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    Originally posted by willshad View Post
    I hear that guy Mays was pretty good in the outfield, so maybe that can compensate for Mccovey's poor defense?
    I think we know better than that. Of course, Mays was exceptional. And yes, great CFers can help their corner OFers some. But, that still leaves 90% of the plays for the corner OFer to make on his own. The fact is that McCovey was a poor outfielder- ask anyone who saw him, as I did. The Giants were stuck, with two great first basemen, neither of whom could play another position well.

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  • BondsOverBabe
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    Originally posted by willshad View Post
    I hear that guy Mays was pretty good in the outfield, so maybe that can compensate for Mccovey's poor defense?
    The difference between Mays and Edmonds defense is miniscule at best compared to the difference in defense the Cardinals corner outfielders over the Giants corner outfielders. Not saying the Giants outfield as whole isn't comparable as a whole but their is a great advantage for the Cardinals in fielding.

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  • willshad
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    Originally posted by BigRon View Post
    As so often happens in these discussions, too much focus on one stat- in this case OPS+. McCovey was a lethal hitter in 1963, but he was a poor outfielder, and that may be charitable. He couldn't run, didn't throw well, and was barely adequate as a flycatcher. Factor in the realities of his defense- not the DWAR "data"- and the 63 Giants OF slides down a notch.
    I hear that guy Mays was pretty good in the outfield, so maybe that can compensate for Mccovey's poor defense?

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  • BigRon
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    As so often happens in these discussions, too much focus on one stat- in this case OPS+. McCovey was a lethal hitter in 1963, but he was a poor outfielder, and that may be charitable. He couldn't run, didn't throw well, and was barely adequate as a flycatcher. Factor in the realities of his defense- not the DWAR "data"- and the 63 Giants OF slides down a notch.

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  • Bothrops Atrox
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    Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
    287 AB for JD Drew is hardly even mentioning as a full time OF


    1963 Giants
    Mays 175 OPS+ in 157 games
    McCovey 161 OPS+ in 152 games
    Alou 127 OPS+ in 157 games

    2003 Cards
    Pujols 187 in 157 games
    Edmonds 160 in only 137 games
    Drew 132 in only 100 games

    I think the top two for each team is basically a draw a few more OPS+ points for STL, more games played for SF

    but I would rather have a 127 for 157 games than a 132 for 100 games every day of the week
    I would agree with that.

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  • 9RoyHobbsRF
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    287 AB for JD Drew is hardly even mentioning as a full time OF


    1963 Giants
    Mays 175 OPS+ in 157 games
    McCovey 161 OPS+ in 152 games
    Alou 127 OPS+ in 157 games

    2003 Cards
    Pujols 187 in 157 games
    Edmonds 160 in only 137 games
    Drew 132 in only 100 games

    I think the top two for each team is basically a draw a few more OPS+ points for STL, more games played for SF

    but I would rather have a 127 for 157 games than a 132 for 100 games every day of the week

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  • Bothrops Atrox
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    With Rolen and Renteria having great seasons, that offense was a juggernaut. Too bad the pitching was so awful.

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  • Freakshow
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    Since 1945, teams with three players OPS+ 130+, 53+ G at an OF position, and 100+ G played
    Code:
    Rk   Year                    Tm Lg                                                           #Matching
    1    1978     Milwaukee Brewers AL         4 Larry Hisle / Sixto Lezcano / Ben Oglivie / Gorman Thomas
    2    2003   St. Louis Cardinals NL         3                   J.D. Drew / Jim Edmonds / Albert Pujols
    3    1990    Pittsburgh Pirates NL         3              Barry Bonds / Bobby Bonilla / Andy Van Slyke
    4    1988        Boston Red Sox AL         3               Ellis Burks / Dwight Evans / Mike Greenwell
    5    1986      San Diego Padres NL         3                 Tony Gwynn / John Kruk / Kevin McReynolds
    6    1982     California Angels AL         3                Brian Downing / Reggie Jackson / Fred Lynn
    7    1979     Milwaukee Brewers AL         3               Sixto Lezcano / Ben Oglivie / Gorman Thomas
    8    1976 Philadelphia Phillies NL         3              Jay Johnstone / Greg Luzinski / Garry Maddox
    9    1974    Pittsburgh Pirates NL         3                 Al Oliver / Willie Stargell / Richie Zisk
    10   1972        Houston Astros NL         3                      Cesar Cedeno / Bob Watson / Jim Wynn
    11   1971     Baltimore Orioles AL         3             Don Buford / Merv Rettenmund / Frank Robinson
    12   1963       Minnesota Twins AL         3              Bob Allison / Jimmie Hall / Harmon Killebrew
    13   1963 Philadelphia Phillies NL         3           Johnny Callison / Wes Covington / Tony Gonzalez
    14   1959     Cleveland Indians AL         3            Rocky Colavito / Tito Francona / Minnie Minoso
    15   1953      Brooklyn Dodgers NL         3              Carl Furillo / Jackie Robinson / Duke Snider
    16   1952      New York Yankees AL         3                Hank Bauer / Mickey Mantle / Gene Woodling

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  • BondsOverBabe
    started a topic 2003 Cardinals Greatest Outfield Ever?

    2003 Cardinals Greatest Outfield Ever?

    Or at least since the last 25 years?

    You rarely hear about the Edmonds, Drew and Pujols outfield of the early 2000s how does it stack up?
    Last edited by BondsOverBabe; 04-18-2012, 03:05 AM.

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