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What do you think? which was the greatest season by a reliever (only what he has done during relief counts so don't mention starters that have pitched 6 innings of relief-although you can mention guys who have started games but then the innings in the starts don't count).
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It has to be Gange in 2003. I know Eckersly was awesome in 92 and Lidge was great in 2008 But I can't imagine they were nearly as good as Gange was. -
Yeah, Gagne's 2003 comes to mind first. A whole season without a blown save.
Whatever happened to Gagne anyways? Back in those days, people were arguing that he was as good as Rivera, maybe better. He faded quick.Comment
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Billy Wagner in 1999 had a year that could be argued too. I think he had a 0.777 whip and 15 strikeouts per 9 innings. 40 saves too I think."(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack
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From a different perspective, one of Mike Marshall's 72-74 seasons should be considered. In 74 he basically had a good starter's record, 15 wins, 2.4 era, and 208 innings, but he was probably better in his 72 stint with Montreal.Indeed the first step toward finding out is to acknowledge you do not satisfactorily know already; so that no blight can so surely arrest all intellectual growth as the blight of cocksureness.--CS PeirceComment
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Eckersley's 1990, 0.61 ERA, 610 ERA+, 0.614 WHIP.Comment
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Eckersley was great, but 73 IP. I'm more impressed by Wilhelm's seasons in the mid-late 60s when he was pitching 130-140 innings, or Gossage with the Pirates in 77.Originally posted by Joltin' Joe View PostComment
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Bruce Sutter in 1977 was near unhittable and had a higher war than Gossage 6.3 to 5.8
Hrabosky in 75 for the antics
Perranoski in 63 and Regan in 66 for the Dodgers were a combined 30-41. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
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Willie Hernandez in '84 was probably the greatest season of the multiple inning closers with 140 innings 1.92 ERA and 32 saves in 33 chances. Quiz in '83 was also there, but he allowed a fair chunk of inhereted runners to score and couldn't strike out a batter with a runner on third and fewer than 2 outs.Comment
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I think a distinction needs to be made here. BY 'greatest' do you mean 'most dominant' or 'most valuable'. There really are two classes of relievers: the ones who pitched a lot of innings, but weren't as dominant, and the under 100 innings per year closer, with amazing dominance. Of course the high innings guys are going to have more value.
Funny how nobody's mentioned any of Rivera's seasons yet.
In any event, I think it's hard to vote against Gagne. The numbers are mind boggling. Zero blown saves. 337 ERA+. 15 strikeouts per 9 innings. 6.85 So/W ratio. 4 hits per 9 innings. .692 WHIP.
Most amazing: He had nearly FOUR times as many strikeouts as hits allowed!Last edited by willshad; 04-20-2012, 09:53 PM.Comment
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Rob Dibble, CIN, 1990: regular season PLUS World Series.Comment
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Gagne in 03 and Eck in 90 were the first two that came to mind, but of course it is hard to compare the one-inning closers with the older guys, like others have mentioned.1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011
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Why single him out from Norm Charlton and Randy Myers? That was a team effort all around.Originally posted by leewileyfan View PostDave Bill Tom George Mark Bob Ernie Soupy Dick Alex Sparky
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He was on steroids and then was off steroids = out of the league.Originally posted by redban View Post"No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”Comment
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