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    what is the best season of these random shortstops?



    Jimmy Rollins 2007: .296/.344/.531, 38 doubles, 20 triples, 30 HR, 94 RBI, 139 runs, 212 hits, 41 SB, 119 OPS+

    Derek Jeter 1999: .349/.438/.552 37 doubles, 9 triples, 24 HR, 102 RBI, 134 runs, 219 hits, 19 SB, 153 OPS+

    Jose Reyes 2011: .337/.384/.493 31 doubles, 16 triples, 7 HR, 44 RBI, 101 runs, 181 hits, 39 SB, 144 OPS+

    Hanley Ramirez 2007: .332/.386/.562, 48 doubles, 6 triples, 29 HR, 81 RBI, 125 runs, 212 hits, 51 SB, 145 OPS+

    Cal Ripken Jr. 1991: .323/.374/.566 46 doubles, 5 triples, 34 HR, 114 RBI, 99 runs, 210 hits, 6 SB, 162 OPS+

    Arky Vaughan 1935: .385/.491/.607, 34 doubles, 10 triples, 19 HR, 99 RBI, 108 runs, 192 hits, 4 SB, 190 OPS+

    Honus Wagner 1908: .354/.415/.542, 39 doubles, 19 triples, 10 HR, 109 RBI, 100 runs, 201 hits, 53 SB, 205 OPS+

    Alex Rodriguez 1996: .358/.414/.631, 54 doubles, 1 triple, 36 HR, 123 RBI, 141 runs, 215 hits, 15 SB, 160 OPS+

    Alan Trammel 1987l: .343/.402/.551, 34 doubles, 3 triples, 28 HR, 105 RBI, 109 runs, 205 hits, 21 SB, 155 OPS+

    Miguel Tejada 2004: .311/.360/.534, 40 doubles, 2 triples, 34 HR, 150 RBI, 107 runs, 203 hits, 4 SB, 131 OPS+



    who had the best year?
    17
    Jimmy Rollins
    5.88%
    1
    Derek Jeter
    0.00%
    0
    Jose Reyes
    0.00%
    0
    Cal Ripken. jr.
    17.65%
    3
    Hanley Ramirez
    5.88%
    1
    Arky Vaughan
    5.88%
    1
    Honus Wagner
    64.71%
    11
    Alex Rodriguez
    0.00%
    0
    Alan Trammel
    0.00%
    0
    Miguel Tejada
    0.00%
    0

  • #2
    This is a tough one. I was trying to decide between Arod and Cal. Going with Cal ....
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    • #3
      No contest. 1908 Wagner might be the best season by any position player ever.

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      • #4
        I can't stand Ripken but I've got to give him the nod here. Wagner was great but his league quality was downright pathetic, making his season appear better than it really was.
        My top 10 players:

        1. Babe Ruth
        2. Barry Bonds
        3. Ty Cobb
        4. Ted Williams
        5. Willie Mays
        6. Alex Rodriguez
        7. Hank Aaron
        8. Honus Wagner
        9. Lou Gehrig
        10. Mickey Mantle

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        • #5
          "Random shortstops." You really picked these guys at random? Pretty nice collection of SS for being random. And there is no agenda motivation here?
          1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

          1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

          1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


          The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
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          • #6
            they were random....i drew the seasons out of a hat.

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            • #7
              Reading Bill James - he says the best season and best career by a short stop is Wagner and nobody even comes close...of course the book was updated in 2000 so perhaps when he updates it again his feelings will/already have changed.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Blackout View Post
                they were random....i drew the seasons out of a hat.
                Incredible how you managed to pick each of their best seasons. Just incredible.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Blackout View Post
                  they were random....i drew the seasons out of a hat.
                  Who decided which seasons went into the hat?
                  1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

                  1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

                  1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


                  The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
                  The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post
                    Who decided which seasons went into the hat?
                    You mean which 10 seasons went into the hat?

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                    • #11
                      Wagner's is up there and his '04, '05' 06 and '07 seasons are contenders too.
                      Vaughan is there too for 1935 given that it may have been harder for a shortstop to dominate once the league filled up with power hitters.
                      Ripken '91 may be the best of the decade, but it really depends on how you see him defensively. He may have been phenomenal or average depending on which system you look at. '83 or even '84 might have been better.
                      And A-Rod '96 has a case, though 2000 may have been better, and had he not missed a little time at the end the case gets stronger.

                      Given LQ adjustments it could be Vaughan over Wagner, or Ripken/A-Rod over Wagner.

                      Yount '82 may have a case too. In fact given everything I know I think it may be the best. It rates consistently high in all systems while Ripken's big 3 depend a lot on the defensive metric used, and Yount '82 tends to edge out A-Rod '96 or 2000 in my book, comparable fielder and a little better relative hitter.

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                      • #12
                        Ernie Banks 1959 wasn't too bad.

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                        • #13
                          Ripken 1991

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                          • #14
                            Arky's .491 OBP is just stunning....but I vote Wagner 1908.
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