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Does anyone in history have a better first 124 innings in the MLB than Strasburg??

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Dude Paskert View Post
    How shocking that skinny kid's arm didn't last after that kind of workload!
    I know. A pitcher is only as good as the innings he doesn't pitch nowadays.
    "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Blackout View Post
      can anyone find a player with a better first 124 innings???
      Did anyone in MLB history have better (all around) "stuff" than Strasburg? His arsenal, when he first came up was like nothing I've ever seen. Like Pedro, but with much better curve, and another 5 mph on his fastball.

      I'd like to hear the thoughts/impressions of people that go back many decades here.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by csh19792001 View Post
        Did anyone in MLB history have better (all around) "stuff" than Strasburg? His arsenal, when he first came up was like nothing I've ever seen. Like Pedro, but with much better curve, and another 5 mph on his fastball.

        I'd like to hear the thoughts/impressions of people that go back many decades here.

        The thing is, he turned 22 in the middle of the season of his first appearance. Gooden was just 19 in his first season and he pitched 218 innings and K'd 276, and he was 20 through his second full season and had better than a 220 ERA+. He also threw kneebuckling pitches. Gooden would be most similar and so we can see why they want to protect him, but at the same time he turns 24 this year. The next 6 years should be his peak.

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        • #19
          What about Herb Score? I know he won the Rookie of the Year award in '55 for the Indians, but I don't remember if he started fast or finished fast that year.

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          • #20
            so yeah Strasburg is a pitching god

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            • #21
              There isnt a comparison but Chris Sale of the Whitesox has 120 innings pitched now for his career and i'd say he's started out his first 120 pretty good too.
              "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

              "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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              • #22
                Originally posted by brett View Post
                Anyway its too bad he's turning 24 soon and only has 124 career innings.

                Given how bad the record is for pitchers overused before age 25, I don't know that I would call this a bad thing.

                Unless you mean that it is unfortunate that he had surgery and missed so much time, in which case it is a shame.

                Most of the guys who seem to last forever are not overworked young. There are exceptions of course.
                Last edited by dl4060; 05-01-2012, 10:11 PM.

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                • #23
                  Yep again Chris Sale had a great game. slow and steady.
                  "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

                  "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by dl4060 View Post
                    Given how bad the record is for pitchers overused before age 25, I don't know that I would call this a bad thing.

                    Unless you mean that it is unfortunate that he had surgery and missed so much time, in which case it is a shame.

                    Most of the guys who seem to last forever are not overworked young. There are exceptions of course.
                    Of course Strasburg already had to have surgery after < 124 IP in MLB. Sometimes $%#@ happens.

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                    • #25
                      I'll leave it for someone else to run the numbers, but pitchers I recall as starting out well are Juan Marichal, Dennis Eckersley, and Tim Hudson.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by dl4060 View Post
                        Given how bad the record is for pitchers overused before age 25, I don't know that I would call this a bad thing.

                        Unless you mean that it is unfortunate that he had surgery and missed so much time, in which case it is a shame.

                        Most of the guys who seem to last forever are not overworked young. There are exceptions of course.

                        Actually it might be brilliant. A few all time greats had a great season before their age 24 season: Clemens won a Cy Young in '86 but was only about a month older than Strasburg is now. Seaver won in his third year when he was 24 but was almost a full year older. Carlton, Seaver, Maddux, Clemens, Pedro and Randy Johnson (who did not pitch at all before his age 24 season) went a combined 182-120, or an average of only 30-20 prior to their age 24 season and Strasburg is still technically in his age 23 season.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by csh19792001 View Post
                          Did anyone in MLB history have better (all around) "stuff" than Strasburg? His arsenal, when he first came up was like nothing I've ever seen. Like Pedro, but with much better curve, and another 5 mph on his fastball.

                          I'd like to hear the thoughts/impressions of people that go back many decades here.
                          Strasburg was highly touted at the end of his college career. He first came the attention of many with his crazy performances at San Diego State which include:

                          -a 23 strikeout game
                          -a no-hitter
                          -supposedly hitting 105 mph with his fastball
                          -Being the first collegiate player selected to the U.S. Olympic team since professionals were put on the roster in 2000

                          Strasburg's development in college was rare/strange. He was undrafted out of high school. In high school he was a nothing prospect with a fastball under 90 mph. He was fat and nonathletic (listed at 6'4", 250 lbs then). Scouts saw a big fat kid who had makeup issues. He would throw temper tantrums on the field in front of scouts. When he wanted to walk on at San Diego State the baseball coaching staff took one look at him and wrote him off. One coach told Strasburg he should quit baseball after just one week of working out with the team. He stuck with the team and lost 30 lbs his first semester. He pitched in relief as a freshman. Somehow between his freshman and sophomore years Strasburg added 8 mph to his fastball.

                          How does a pitcher go from being a fat, perceived as lazy, and a head case to the greatest pitching prospect ever in just three years?

                          http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...09/267522.html
                          http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...trasburg032409
                          http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...09/267840.html
                          http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...09/267692.html
                          http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...urg/index.html


                          I was this close to seeing Strasburg pitch in college in 2009. San Diego State plays in the same conference as Santa Clara University. Strasburg was going to pitch on May 1, 2009 at Santa Clara. I live about a two minute walk from Santa Clara's ballpark. However, April 30th is my wedding anniversary and my wife wanted to go away for the weekend so I missed the game.
                          Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 05-02-2012, 02:10 PM.
                          Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                          • #28
                            Wasn't a similar thread started about Phil Hughes about this time last year or so? Not the innings part, but about his start being among the best ever?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Captain Cold Nose View Post
                              Wasn't a similar thread started about Phil Hughes about this time last year or so? Not the innings part, but about his start being among the best ever?

                              *ahem*
                              Yes, blackout is easily impressed.
                              Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Captain Cold Nose View Post
                                Wasn't a similar thread started about Phil Hughes about this time last year or so? Not the innings part, but about his start being among the best ever?

                                *ahem*
                                phil hughes didn't hit triple digits and wasn't a number 1 overall pick.

                                Strasburgh is for real. he has the talent to be as good as anyone. but of course only if he stays healthy. the early surgery is a huge concern. he could be pedro martinez but he also could be dwight gooden...
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