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    Who are the 15 best hitters since since 1992? I am curious as to people's opinions, because to me there are a whole lot of guys bunched together.

    Oh, and there are no steroid penalties.


    my list:

    1. Bonds
    2. Thomas
    3. Ramirez
    4. Pujols
    5. Guerrero
    6. A-rod
    7. Piazza
    8. Bagwell
    9. Mcgwire
    10.Thome
    11.Edgar
    12. Chipper
    13. Sheffield
    14. Berkman
    15. Gwynn

  • #2
    1. Bonds
    2. Pujols
    3. Thomas
    4. Ramirez
    5. A-Rod
    6. Chipper
    7. McGwire
    9. Edgar Martinez
    10. Piazza
    11. Thome
    12. Larry Walker
    13. Sheffield
    14. Griffey
    15. Bagwell
    Last edited by GiambiJuice; 05-07-2012, 01:44 PM.
    My top 10 players:

    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Barry Bonds
    3. Ty Cobb
    4. Ted Williams
    5. Willie Mays
    6. Alex Rodriguez
    7. Hank Aaron
    8. Honus Wagner
    9. Lou Gehrig
    10. Mickey Mantle

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    • #3
      Originally posted by willshad View Post
      Who are the 15 best hitters since since 1992? I am curious as to people's opinions, because to me there are a whole lot of guys bunched together.

      Oh, and there are no steroid penalties.


      my list:

      1. Bonds
      2. Thomas
      3. Ramirez
      4. Pujols
      5. Guerrero
      6. A-rod
      7. Piazza
      8. Bagwell
      9. Mcgwire
      10.Thome
      11.Edgar
      12. Chipper
      13. Sheffield
      14. Berkman
      15. Gwynn
      Steroids or no steroids, Pujols is a better hitter than Manny. Manny's best seasons when it comes to rate stats like OPS+ occurred in 118-120 games.

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      • #4
        I think Pujols tops Ramirez in OPS+ every year in their top 11. Huge career advantage. Now one can make the case that Pujols may drop with a big decline, but just based on what Pujols did his 1st 11 years, I can't see putting him lower than 3rd behind Bonds and maybe Thomas. Thomas had 3 leaderships. Pujols 4. Thomas had the expansion years to help him and smaller parks (which is not always captured well in OPS+). I'd probably give Pujols the slight edge.

        After Thomas, I'd go with some order of Ramirez, A-Rod, Piazza, and Edgar maybe.

        After that...who knows.
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        • #5
          Something like this:
          1. Bonds
          2. Pujols
          3. Thomas
          4. Ramirez
          5. Rodriguez
          6. Piazza
          7. Bagwell
          8. Guerrero or
          9. Griffey Jr.
          10. McGwire- would be higher if he were in the lineup more
          11. Thome
          12. Martinez
          13. Sheffield
          14. C. Jones
          15. L. Walker, perhaps

          Lots of other outstanding hitters, including but not limited to: Berkman, Gwynn, Helton, Edmonds, Sosa, etc.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
            1. Bonds
            2. Pujols
            3. Thomas
            4. Ramirez
            5. A-Rod
            6. Chipper
            7. McGwire
            9. Edgar Martinez
            10. Piazza
            11. Thome
            12. Sheffield
            13. Bagwell
            14. Griffey
            15. Berkman
            I don't see how Chipper Jones was a better hitter than Mike Piazza.

            Aside from OBP, Piazza has him topped in every stat. (And catchers don't usually draw much walks anyways).

            Also not sure if McGwire should be above Piazza too. McGwire had the homeruns, but he also struck out a lot and hit for poor BA.

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            • #7
              Looking at all aspects of being a hitter, I'll go...

              1. Pujols
              ----------
              2. Bonds
              ----------
              3. McGwire
              4. Walker
              ----------
              5. Manny Ramirez
              ----------
              6. Edgar Martinez
              7. Frank Thomas
              8. Helton
              9. Bagwell
              10. Votto
              11. Thome
              12. Cabrera
              ----------
              13. Braun
              14. Gwynn
              15. Mauer

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              • #8
                Originally posted by redban View Post
                I don't see how Chipper Jones was a better hitter than Mike Piazza.
                Maybe because he's still hitting?

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                • #9
                  Lucky for McGwire this starts in 1992. He batted .244 until '92 including a fresh .201 average in 154 games in '91.
                  "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by redban View Post
                    I don't see how Chipper Jones was a better hitter than Mike Piazza.

                    Aside from OBP, Piazza has him topped in every stat. (And catchers don't usually draw much walks anyways).

                    Also not sure if McGwire should be above Piazza too. McGwire had the homeruns, but he also struck out a lot and hit for poor BA.
                    A. OBP is a very important stat - possibly the MOST important offensive stat - and Chipper has a significant advantage in it
                    B. 10,239 PA for Chipper vs. 7,745 PA for Mike.

                    Practially identical OPS+ despite 2,500 more PA by Chipper. It is pretty clear to me that Chipper should be ranked ahead of Piazza as a hitter. I understand that playing catcher takes a larger toll on the body than third base, and I understand that Piazza is the greatest hitting catcher ever...I still have to give the edge hitting-wise to Chipper Jones - quite comfortably.
                    Last edited by GiambiJuice; 05-07-2012, 02:39 PM.
                    My top 10 players:

                    1. Babe Ruth
                    2. Barry Bonds
                    3. Ty Cobb
                    4. Ted Williams
                    5. Willie Mays
                    6. Alex Rodriguez
                    7. Hank Aaron
                    8. Honus Wagner
                    9. Lou Gehrig
                    10. Mickey Mantle

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                    • #11
                      Ok, I will give this a go (though I am sure it will be about the same as everyone else)

                      1. Barry Bonds - steroids or not, he was at the top, maybe he would not be there without the steroids but he would be near the top I figure.
                      2. Frank Thomas - Lest we forget, he was just as good of a hitter as Pujols and he so far has more playing time - 182 OPS+ over his first 8 seasons!
                      3. Albert Pujols - Consistently great hitting, the best overall hitter in the game (just not this season), 10+ years of it is hard to top.
                      4. Edgar Martinez - Kind of a homer pick. From 1995-2001, he averaged: .329/.446/.574/1.020. He won 2 BA titles as a Right-handed hitter. 21st all-time in OBP.
                      5. Albert Belle - Maybe not as consistent as some and certainly did not last as long but when he was on, he was as good as anyone on the list
                      6. Ken Griffey Jr. - having no steroids cloud, maybe he should be higher but either way he deserves to be on this list. 4 HR titles, 150 OPS+ for a
                      7. Alex Rodriguez - quite similar to Griffey in many regards but has the whole * thing to deal with (as several others on this list to as well)
                      8. Tony Gwynn - hit .351 from 1992-2001 (final season), including 4 consecutive BA titles... amazing pure hitter.
                      9. Mike Piazza - Not only the best hitting Catcher of all time, but just a great hitter period.
                      10. Larry Walker - Coors field or not was a great hitter. Heck, in his amazing 1997 season, he slugged better on the road!
                      11. Jeff Bagwell - a slightly lesser Frank Thomas but still an amazing hitter
                      12. Manny Ramirez - Manny being Manny includes him smacking a HR every couple days...and using steroids
                      13. Jim Thome - oft forgotten slugger of the early 2000's
                      14. Mark McGwire - HR's, walks, not much else. With fewer injuries and Andro woul
                      15. Miguel Cabrera - 2nd best hitter of current era (behind Pujols)

                      Honorable Mentions:
                      Joe Mauer - Catcher with 3 Batting Titles
                      Todd Helton - Sure he was helped by Coors and sure he has slipped a bit in the past several years but still a great hitter.
                      Lance Berkman - Also a quiet player who does not get as much mention as he should. He is still going strong at 36 years old and has had only one down year since 1999 (his rookie year) - he is nearly a .300/.400/.500 hitter (BA is currently .296).

                      I am sure there are several others and sure the list could be rearranged a little differently but overall, those were the best the past 2 decades.

                      On a personal note, the Mariner's had 3 players from this list on their team at the same time... how they did not get more done with them there is amazingly sad...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                        A. OBP is a very important stat - possibly the MOST important offensive stat - and Chipper has a significant advantage in it
                        B. 10,239 PA for Chipper vs. 7,745 PA for Mike.

                        Practially identical OPS+ despite 2,500 more PA by Chipper. It is pretty clear to me that Chipper should be ranked ahead of Piazza as a hitter. I understand that playing catcher takes a larger toll on the body than third base, and I understand that Piazza is the greatest hitting catcher ever...I still have to give the edge hitting-wise to Chipper Jones - quite comfortably.
                        You're comparing PA between a catcher and a third baseman. Catchers obviously have less PA because they rest every 5th day and their careers end earlier.

                        If you compare peaks, Piazza did better. He hit for a higher average, better AB/HR ratio, much higher Slugging %, etc.

                        And Piazza did it all in pitcher-friendly parks. If you see his career home/road splits, it seems Piazza was hurt by his home ballpark his whole career.

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                        • #13
                          Players with 35 Batting Wins, 135 OPS+, 320 WAR Batting Runs and 35 WPA, 1992-2012
                          Code:
                          Rk              Player BtWins OPS+ Rbat     WPA    PA From   To  SB   BA  OBP  SLG       Pos
                          1          Barry Bonds 105.27  200  985 108.628  8963 1992 2007 302 .311 .476 .663     *7/D8
                          2        Manny Ramirez  64.67  154  653  55.847  9774 1993 2011  38 .312 .411 .585       79D
                          3        Albert Pujols  63.49  168  617  63.109  7551 2001 2012  84 .326 .418 .611 *375/9D64
                          4         Frank Thomas  60.42  154  606  53.901  9134 1992 2008  31 .299 .416 .556       *D3
                          5            Jim Thome  57.86  148  587  50.213 10044 1992 2012  18 .277 .404 .558       3D5
                          6       Alex Rodriguez  56.58  144  625  57.072 10756 1994 2012 307 .301 .386 .565     *65/D
                          7       Gary Sheffield  55.74  146  564  58.460  9703 1992 2009 210 .296 .402 .533   *97D5/3
                          8         Jeff Bagwell  55.03  150  559  56.378  8781 1992 2005 195 .297 .409 .548     *3/D9
                          9        Chipper Jones  54.11  142  550  59.012 10239 1993 2012 149 .304 .402 .533   *57/6D9
                          10      Edgar Martinez  46.53  151  482  37.449  7180 1992 2004  46 .315 .424 .534     *D5/3
                          11        Jason Giambi  45.33  142  455  47.954  8539 1995 2012  20 .281 .404 .525   *3D7/59
                          12       Lance Berkman  44.04  146  423  53.154  7453 1999 2012  85 .296 .409 .545    3798/D
                          13   Vladimir Guerrero  43.87  140  431  44.483  9059 1996 2011 181 .318 .379 .553    *9D/87
                          14         Todd Helton  43.46  136  435  52.443  8822 1997 2012  37 .322 .420 .549    *3/79D
                          15        Mark McGwire  41.63  181  425  41.068  4504 1992 2001   6 .277 .424 .663   *3/D467
                          16      Carlos Delgado  40.76  138  373  42.502  8657 1993 2009  14 .280 .383 .546    *3D/72
                          17         Ken Griffey  39.81  136  376  38.669  9499 1992 2010 134 .281 .370 .549   *89D/73
                          18        Larry Walker  39.73  144  404  49.876  6957 1992 2005 194 .321 .410 .586 *9/837D45
                          19         Mike Piazza  39.43  143  419  38.722  7745 1992 2007  17 .308 .377 .545     *2D/3
                          20         Brian Giles  37.59  136  362  39.883  7836 1995 2009 109 .291 .400 .502     978/D
                          21      Miguel Cabrera  36.08  149  349  37.058  5894 2003 2012  29 .316 .394 .555    3579/D
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                            A. OBP is a very important stat - possibly the MOST important offensive stat - and Chipper has a significant advantage in it
                            B. 10,239 PA for Chipper vs. 7,745 PA for Mike.

                            Practially identical OPS+ despite 2,500 more PA by Chipper. It is pretty clear to me that Chipper should be ranked ahead of Piazza as a hitter. I understand that playing catcher takes a larger toll on the body than third base, and I understand that Piazza is the greatest hitting catcher ever...I still have to give the edge hitting-wise to Chipper Jones - quite comfortably.
                            I suppose it depends if you are using longevity as the key factor, Jones can be ranked ahead of Piazza. I was looking at it mostly as how good was the player during his prime years. it wouldn't be fair to guys like Pujols and Cabrera otherwise.

                            To me , Piazza was significantly better at the plate than Jones during his prime years. Chipper just doesn't have that 'fear factor', and never really did. If Piazza was a career first baseman or DH, it would be no contest.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                              Looking at all aspects of being a hitter, I'll go...

                              1. Pujols
                              ----------
                              2. Bonds
                              ----------
                              3. McGwire
                              4. Walker
                              ----------
                              5. Manny Ramirez
                              ----------
                              6. Edgar Martinez
                              7. Frank Thomas
                              8. Helton
                              9. Bagwell
                              10. Votto
                              11. Thome
                              12. Cabrera
                              ----------
                              13. Braun
                              14. Gwynn
                              15. Mauer
                              What do you mean 'all aspects of being a hitter'? Votto has had 3 good seasons and he's already ahead of Vlad, Chipper, Piazza, Sheffield, and A-rod? I like him, but all of them had seasons better than Votto's best so far. Braun is in the same boat.

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