Who will end their career with more runs scored, Jeter or A-rod?

[Blackout]

who do you think it will be?

[dominik]

arod. he is already ahead of jeter and he is younger

[Blackout]

but A-rod gets hurt more now

[White Knight]

arod. he is already ahead of jeter and he is younger

Younger has little to do with it, it's only a year anyway. Jeter is in much better condition which will lead to him getting hurt less. Plus, A-Rod is aging terrible. He's in serious decline.

[Blackout]

Younger has little to do with it, it's only a year anyway. Jeter is in much better condition which will lead to him getting hurt less. Plus, A-Rod is aging terrible. He's in serious decline.

except for that 2 homer game he had a few days ago

[White Knight]

except for that 2 homer game he had a few days ago

He's still a better power hitter than Jeter, but Jeter is better now at everything else. :P

[Blackout]

He's still a better power hitter than Jeter, but Jeter is better now at everything else. :P

even at playing shortstop? lol

[White Knight]

even at playing shortstop? lol

Jeter stood the same at SS, if anything he has miraculously gotten better in his old age. A-Rod is so broken down and hasn't played SS in so long I have no doubt in my mind Jeter would be better with the glove. Probably a lot better.

[Joltin' Joe]

Jeter is declining just as much as A-Rod. Even with his terrible decline as someone said, ARod's OPS is around 118 which is about equal to Jeter's career average. Jeter has posted back to back <100 OPS+ season thus far. Arod at his very worst is equivalent to Jeter's career average. One cannot take what Jeter did this March & April and taking that as a norm; it isn't. His BABIP was .413 during that time; he was incredibly lucky. As for Jeter's defense, I don't see how he has improved. I watch the games, his already microscopic range is getting even less and he already has enough negative dWar already, on pace to have one of his worst defensive seasons ever.

[White Knight]

Jeter is declining just as much as A-Rod. Even with his terrible decline as someone said, ARod's OPS is around 118 which is about equal to Jeter's career average. Jeter has posted back to back <100 OPS+ season thus far. Arod at his very worst is equivalent to Jeter's career average. One cannot take what Jeter did this March & April and taking that as a norm; it isn't. His BABIP was .413 during that time; he was incredibly lucky. As for Jeter's defense, I don't see how he has improved. I watch the games, his already microscopic range is getting even less and he already has enough negative dWar already, on pace to have one of his worst defensive seasons ever.

That couldn't be more wrong. What can A-Rod do today that Jeter can't besides hit a long ball? Jeter is also doing just fine with his glove, and is a lot better than 10 years ago.

[Joltin' Joe]

That couldn't be more wrong. What can A-Rod do today that Jeter can't besides hit a long ball? Jeter is also doing just fine with his glove, and is a lot better than 10 years ago.

I'm not sure why you are telling me I couldn't be more wrong.

You are basing everything on what Jeter did in March/April of this year. I posted his extraordinary BABIP during that stretch which indicates he was incredibly lucky, not incredibly good. His BA regressing toward the mean and his BABIP falling down towards reality is a clear indication of this.

You ask "What can A-Rod do today that Jeter can't besides hit a long ball? " I think you have answered your own question. If you have two hitters that have similar BA but one hits the long ball, who are you going to pick. The amount of power ARod has over Jeter makes him a far more valuable hitter.

ARod and Jeter are both declining as hitters at similar rates. That being said, since ARod was the far superior hitter to begin with, even his diminished OPS+ is still about the same as Jeter's career average.

As for his glove, I don't see it. He has no range to speak of. He is surehanded and always makes the routine plays, no doubt about that...but he is a SS, not a 1Bman. A lot more is expected out of a SS. Even dWAR indicates Jeter is costing us games with his limited range. Can you give me examples of where you see Jeter's defense has improved?

[Blackout]

well Jeter is hitting .342 so far this season so it doesn't look to me like he's declining

[Dude Paskert]

well Jeter is hitting .342 so far this season so it doesn't look to me like he's declining

Yeah, but wasn't he hitting .400 a couple of weeks ago? He had a super hot start and has been cooling off lately.
I think Jeter has made some adjustments and could easily see him hitting over .300 this season, but I really doubt he's going to end up around .340. More power to him if he does it.

[ol' aches and pains]

Yeah, but wasn't he hitting .400 a couple of weeks ago? He had a super hot start and has been cooling off lately.
I think Jeter has made some adjustments and could easily see him hitting over .300 this season, but I really doubt he's going to end up around .340. More power to him if he does it.

Jesus, he's not Ted Williams, he wasn't going to hit .400. What does he have to do to get you guys off his back? A lot of teams would love to have a .300 hitting shortstop with Jeter's leadership qualities.

[Dude Paskert]

Jesus, he's not Ted Williams, he wasn't going to hit .400. What does he have to do to get you guys off his back? A lot of teams would love to have a .300 hitting shortstop with Jeter's leadership qualities.

I have noticed that many uninformed fans think that Splinter hit .400 as an old man, but he ended up at .388 in his golden season...he was quoted many times as saying he could have hit .400 if he still had the speed of his younger self at that point.
I can't imagine why you think I'm getting on Jeter's back when I suggest that he could hit .300+ this season and basically make the same point as you about taking early season batting averages too seriously. I suppose that I'm blaspheming when I post that I don't think he'll get close to Rose's hit record.