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How good could Joe Charboneau have been?
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Originally posted by EdTarbusz View PostI was in high school during Charboneau's Rookie of the Year season. In Cleveland he was seen as a self destructive version of Mark Fidrych.
I also remember his 1981 Fleer card as being the first really big money rookie card in the early 80s baseball card boom.Odd that Fleer listed him as a DH since he played more games in the outfield than at DH in 1980.
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Originally posted by Dude Paskert View PostI'll bet Joe wouldn't have even blinked about being shot like Redford, would have just poured whiskey and slapped a few bandaids on the wounds and kept playing.
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Originally posted by EdTarbusz View PostFor some reason I think he grew up in the National City/Chula Vista region of San Diego. I was stationed near there when I was in the Navy and that area was not the nicest.
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I was in high school during Charboneau's Rookie of the Year season. In Cleveland he was seen as a self destructive version of Mark Fidrych.
I also remember his 1981 Fleer card as being the first really big money rookie card in the early 80s baseball card boom.
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Originally posted by Dude Paskert View PostBoy, hard to come back as a baseball player after that. I know two guys who had that done and they both walked like zombies for as long as I knew them after that.
Joe was a really tough guy, though. Said he earned money as a teen fighting bareknuckled in abandoned railroad cars, the winner was usually the first one who managed to kick the other in the groin. He was also famous for giving himself stitches and pulling his own teeth, and I remember some stories about him having just superhuman strength. BBRef says he was born in Belvidere, IL, but I think he grew up in CA in really poor surroundings.
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Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Postmost of us remember Charb was a NY Knight in The Natural
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Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View PostI'm trying to find dome details about Charboneau's back injury? According to this SABR article he had 2 disks removed from his spine. That sounds like he had a major injury.
http://research.sabr.org/journals/jo...far-out-phenom
Joe was a really tough guy, though. Said he earned money as a teen fighting bareknuckled in abandoned railroad cars, the winner was usually the first one who managed to kick the other in the groin. He was also famous for giving himself stitches and pulling his own teeth, and I remember some stories about him having just superhuman strength. BBRef says he was born in Belvidere, IL, but I think he grew up in CA in really poor surroundings.
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I'm trying to find dome details about Charboneau's back injury. According to this SABR article he had 2 disks removed from his spine. That sounds like he had a major injury.
http://research.sabr.org/journals/jo...far-out-phenomLast edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 06-07-2012, 04:04 PM.
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Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View PostBut this had nothing to do with Charboneau's downfall, though. Regardless how zany he may have been Charboneau could play. He had strong minor league numbers. His last two minor league seasons he hit .350/.437/.539 and .352/.422/.597. then he hits .289/.388/.488, 129 OPS+.
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Originally posted by brett View PostHe turned 25 in his rookie season and had a 129 OPS+ in barely enough plate appearances to qualify, and as a basically average fielding corner outfielder.
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Originally posted by brett View PostHe turned 25 in his rookie season and had a 129 OPS+ in barely enough plate appearances to qualify, and as a basically average fielding corner outfielder.
I'd guess that Joe may have been able to do a bit better than Ron for a career, maybe hit .250 and reach 150-200HRs, if he decided to be a ballplayer instead of a freak show AND had not been hurt. I know that there are guys like Charlie Keller who were just a back injury waiting to happen, just had a congenital issue that would not let them have a long baseball career...I wonder if Joe was the same way.
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Originally posted by PVNICK View Postnot be a curmudgeon but there was the mythology about him opening beer bottles with his eye socket or such pranks, that to paraphrase Bil James (or someone else on the subject) didn't lend itself to a long career.Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 06-07-2012, 12:11 PM.
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He turned 25 in his rookie season and had a 129 OPS+ in barely enough plate appearances to qualify, and as a basically average fielding corner outfielder.
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