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    Of all players with at least 75 PA, first baseman Nate Colbert holds the fourth highest slugging percentage against Don Sutton with .548. Colbert, a player with a few brief all-star stints, boasts a career 119 OPS+. Facing Sutton in his prime, Colbert's OPS+ from 1969-1973 was 132. He slugged .483 during this time. However, I doubt he makes a lot of baseball conversations.

    Any other examples, batting or pitching, of well-known players being dominated by lesser known to unkown players?
    "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

  • #2
    Originally posted by Tyrus4189Cobb View Post
    Of all players with at least 75 PA, first baseman Nate Colbert holds the fourth highest slugging percentage against Don Sutton with .548. Colbert, a player with a few brief all-star stints, boasts a career 119 OPS+. Facing Sutton in his prime, Colbert's OPS+ from 1969-1973 was 132. He slugged .483 during this time. However, I doubt he makes a lot of baseball conversations.

    Any other examples, batting or pitching, of well-known players being dominated by lesser known to unkown players?
    Interesting idea for a thread, but the example you use is rather odd. Colbert was as good a hitter during his prime as Sutton was a pitcher, so it doesn't exactly fit the criteria. Plus, a .548 slugging average isn't exactly 'domination'.

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    • #3
      The Sutton puzzler is a guy he mentions in this context from time to time: Rance Mulliniks. .444/.472/.824
      3 6 10 21 29 31 35 41 42 44 47

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      • #4
        A lefty screwballer named Hub Pruett was known for owning Babe Ruth early in his career...the online references are not consistent but some say he struck Ruth out in 10 of his first 13 ABs against Pruett, and some extend it to 13 of 16. I think Babe hit the guy better the more he saw him, but there is a story about Pruett thanking Ruth for indirectly paying for his time in medical school.
        "If I drink whiskey, I'll never get worms!" - Hack Wilson

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        • #5
          Tom Hutton v. Tom Seaver is a famous one in Mets lore. From BR bullpen "Hutton batted .320 against Seaver in 62 plate appearances, with 11 walks, three home runs and 11 RBI."

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          • #6
            Enrique Wilson was known as a "Pedro killer". I remember the Yankees always inserting him into the lineup when Pedro Martinez was pitching for Boston. In fact, Wilson had more than twice as many ABs against Pedro Martinez in his career than against ANY other pitcher.

            Wilson's career OPS was .638, but against Pedro Martinez it was .867, helped along by a cool .364 batting average. Go figure.

            Another one that comes to mind is Mike Redmond vs. Tom Glavine. In 51 PAs against the eventual 300 game winner, Redmond hit .438/.471/.604
            Last edited by GiambiJuice; 06-11-2012, 07:10 AM.
            My top 10 players:

            1. Babe Ruth
            2. Barry Bonds
            3. Ty Cobb
            4. Ted Williams
            5. Willie Mays
            6. Alex Rodriguez
            7. Hank Aaron
            8. Honus Wagner
            9. Lou Gehrig
            10. Mickey Mantle

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            • #7
              Originally posted by willshad View Post
              Interesting idea for a thread, but the example you use is rather odd. Colbert was as good a hitter during his prime as Sutton was a pitcher, so it doesn't exactly fit the criteria. Plus, a .548 slugging average isn't exactly 'domination'.
              I searched a few pitchers and he was the most random I could find other than Gordy Coleman against Warren Spahn, a .869 slugger. Coleman played first base for the Reds for nine years, ending with a 107 OPS+. However, he faced Spahn in his twilight years.
              "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

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              • #8
                From 1986-1991, Rick Mahler :
                90 ERA+.
                1.412 WHIP
                .283/.338/.414 - batters
                111 OPS+ - batters

                But vs. Barry Bonds :
                .176/.222/.206/.428
                0 HRs
                1 RBI
                5 Ks

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                  From 1986-1991, Rick Mahler :
                  90 ERA+.
                  1.412 WHIP
                  .283/.338/.414 - batters
                  111 OPS+ - batters

                  But vs. Barry Bonds :
                  .176/.222/.206/.428
                  0 HRs
                  1 RBI
                  5 Ks
                  But how large is the sample?
                  My top 10 players:

                  1. Babe Ruth
                  2. Barry Bonds
                  3. Ty Cobb
                  4. Ted Williams
                  5. Willie Mays
                  6. Alex Rodriguez
                  7. Hank Aaron
                  8. Honus Wagner
                  9. Lou Gehrig
                  10. Mickey Mantle

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                  • #10
                    I love this.....

                    Duane Kuiper vs. the world...

                    Code:
                                                                                   
                                       PA AB  H 2B 3B HR RBI BB   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS
                    Dennis Eckersley   46 39 16  2  0  0   2  5 .410 .467 .462 .928
                    Catfish Hunter     38 36 13  1  0  0   1  2 .361 .395 .389 .784
                    Jim Palmer         55 49 17  0  1  0   2  4 .347 .396 .388 .784
                    Dennis Martinez    28 26  9  1  0  0   2  2 .346 .393 .385 .777
                    Fergie Jenkins     49 42 13  2  0  0   2  6 .310 .396 .357 .753

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                      But how large is the sample?
                      Oh, I should have included that. 37 PAs.

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                      • #12
                        From 1948-1951 :

                        Joe DiMaggio
                        .305/.398/.553
                        151 OPS+

                        Alex Kellner
                        led league in losses 2x
                        93 ERA+
                        1.543 WHIP

                        DiMaggio vs. Kellner
                        49 PAs
                        1 HR
                        .150/.306/.275

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                        • #13
                          Ted Williams batted .156 in 35 PA against Jack Harshman .167 in 44 PA against Jim Wilson.
                          My top 10 players:

                          1. Babe Ruth
                          2. Barry Bonds
                          3. Ty Cobb
                          4. Ted Williams
                          5. Willie Mays
                          6. Alex Rodriguez
                          7. Hank Aaron
                          8. Honus Wagner
                          9. Lou Gehrig
                          10. Mickey Mantle

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                          • #14
                            Jose Lima was a great guy who died too young. At the same time, he was one a very poor starting pitcher. Lima holds one of the highest career ERA among pitchers with at least 1000 IP. Alongside a 5.26 ERA, his ERA+ is 85 and WAR is -1.2.

                            Yet somehow he managed to baffle Jeff Kent and hold him to .208/.269/.333 in 26 PA. Scott Rolen faced him 22 times, but could not manage more than .200/.272/.250.
                            "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

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                            • #15
                              For some reason, Mike Redmond's dominance over Tom Glavine has always stuck in my mind. Checking the official stats, he had a slash line of .438/.471/.604 in 51 PA's. It just seemed like he could never get him out.

                              This probably isn't as big of a sample as you are looking for, but this one stands out to me.

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