Ted Williams vs Carl Yastrzemski

[Captain Cold Nose]

Yaz himself would laugh at the comparison.

[Jackaroo Dave]

Yaz himself would laugh at the comparison.

Better to laugh than to cry. Yaz was hyped as the new Ted Williams and then got a boatload of grief for not being so. For a while it looked like he might be, and then for the rest of his career, just about every year he was criticized for not once again carrying the Red Sox on his back into the post season.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Better to laugh than to cry. Yaz was hyped as the new Ted Williams and then got a boatload of grief for not being so. For a while it looked like he might be, and then for the rest of his career, just about every year he was criticized for not once again carrying the Red Sox on his back into the post season.

What happened to Yaz after 1970? He has a fair amount of Black Ink from 1963-70. Then nothing after that.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Only a small sample on the number of players but you would expect it to be just the opposite with the Green Monster.
But, the left handers doubles home and away shows the bigger gap.
Obviuosly the configuration of the park in right and right center played a part.
Doubtful those lefthanders hit a significant number off the wall in left.

Out of all of them. possible Boggs hit a fair number off the wall.

[9RoyHobbsRF]

^ so much for the theory Yaz uniquely took advantage of his park and should be credited for it

what happened is he got inflated numbers playing in an offensive park and those inflated numbers disappeared when he played in normal parks

boston hitters over the years have routinely been over valued because of inflated numbers due to park illusions

period

Only a small sample on the number of players but you would expect it to be just the opposite with the Green Monster.
But, the left handers doubles home and away shows the bigger gap.
Obviuosly the configuration of the park in right and right center played a part.
Doubtful those lefthanders hit a significant number off the wall in left.

Out of all of them. possible Boggs hit a fair number off the wall.

[GiambiJuice]

^ so much for the theory Yaz uniquely took advantage of his park and should be credited for it

what happened is he got inflated numbers playing in an offensive park and those inflated numbers disappeared when he played in normal parks

boston hitters over the years have routinely been over valued because of inflated numbers due to park illusions

period

He cannot control which

park his team plays in

but at the end of the day a player

with over 3400 hits and 450 home runs and 90 WAR, and a triple crown

and an MVP and 7 gold gloves

and 55 Black Ink (avg HOFer: 27)

is an all time great player.

regardless of whether he had a favorable home park

period

[9RoyHobbsRF]

home .306 .402 .503
road .264 .357 .422

the truth hurts

[dgarza]

What happened to Yaz after 1970? He has a fair amount of Black Ink from 1963-70. Then nothing after that.

SI article
July 10, 1972

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...6289/index.htm

If, indeed, Yastrzemski is finished as a home-run hitter, the hand injury he suffered last season trying to steal a base is probably more to blame than the knee he hurt sliding into home plate against the Angels on May 9 this year.

But then (which may just be talk)...
For his own part, Yaz says he simply hasn't been swinging for the fences. "I don't think the injuries have anything to do with it. It's just a matter of whether I'm trying for home runs or not. It's easier for me to hit this way."

[GiambiJuice]

home .306 .402 .503
road .264 .357 .422

the truth hurts

What's the truth, that he was solid, but not spectacular on the road? I never denied that. You fail to look at the total package.

Funny how you ignored every point in my post.

[9RoyHobbsRF]

now lets look at some "similar"* players (* accoridng to baseball ref.com)

Harold Baines
Home .290 .361 .468
Road .289 .351 .461

dont see any 81 points drop in slugging
dont see any 42 point drop in BA
dont see any 45 point in OB %
why? because he did not have an offensive home park to inflate his numbers

Eddie Murray
Home .288 .364 .470
Road .286 .356 .482

dont see any 81 points drop in slugging
dont see any 42 point drop in BA
dont see any 45 point in OB %
why? because he did not have an offensive home park to inflate his numbers

[9RoyHobbsRF]

and my favorite
the strikeout king vs the batting champ

Yaz we already know
home .306 .402 .503
road .264 .357 .422 (so funny)

The Reg
Home .255 .349 .481
Road .268 .362 .499

Yaz in Fenway .306 .402 .503
Yaz in Oakland .253 .353 .394

Reg in Fenway .280 .369 .534
Reg in Oakland .258 .353 .491

park illusions are such a simple PROVEABLE concept
it is funny so many people are BLIND to it

[GiambiJuice]

Yaz must be the most mediocre player with 90 WAR.

[9RoyHobbsRF]

His black ink are a large part because he played in an offensive park


as a reminder

1962 OVERALL .296 19 HR .469 SA
1962 HOME .342 11 HR .563 SA
1962 ROAD .252 8 HR .379 SA

1965 OVERALL .312 20 HR .536 SA
1965 HOME .331 16 HR .639 SA
1965 ROAD .289 4 HR .417 SA

1977 OVERALL .296 28 HR .505 SA
1977 HOME .351 14 HR .557 SA
1977 ROAD .239 14 HR .453 SA

Dante Bichette had black ink too (look at 1995 w hen he led the league in hits, home runs, RBI slugging and TB)
Home .377 .397 .755
Road .300 .329 .473

do you really think someone who had a .329 OB% and a .473 SA is really the second best player in the league?

[westsidegrounds]

His black ink are a large part because he played in an offensive park


as a reminder

1962 OVERALL .296 19 HR .469 SA
1962 HOME .342 11 HR .563 SA
1962 ROAD .252 8 HR .379 SA

1965 OVERALL .312 20 HR .536 SA
1965 HOME .331 16 HR .639 SA
1965 ROAD .289 4 HR .417 SA

1977 OVERALL .296 28 HR .505 SA
1977 HOME .351 14 HR .557 SA
1977 ROAD .239 14 HR .453 SA

Dante Bichette had black ink too (look at 1995 w hen he led the league in hits, home runs, RBI slugging and TB)
Home .377 .397 .755
Road .300 .329 .473

do you really think someone who had a .329 OB% and a .473 SA is really the second best player in the league?

maybe try looking at career splits rather than selected miscellaneous individual seasons ... ?

[9RoyHobbsRF]

see post 52

maybe try looking at career splits rather than selected miscellaneous individual seasons ... ?