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Originally posted by Captain Cold Nose View PostYaz himself would laugh at the comparison.Indeed the first step toward finding out is to acknowledge you do not satisfactorily know already; so that no blight can so surely arrest all intellectual growth as the blight of cocksureness.--CS Peirce
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Originally posted by Jackaroo Dave View PostBetter to laugh than to cry. Yaz was hyped as the new Ted Williams and then got a boatload of grief for not being so. For a while it looked like he might be, and then for the rest of his career, just about every year he was criticized for not once again carrying the Red Sox on his back into the post season.Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis
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Only a small sample on the number of players but you would expect it to be just the opposite with the Green Monster.
But, the left handers doubles home and away shows the bigger gap.
Obviuosly the configuration of the park in right and right center played a part.
Doubtful those lefthanders hit a significant number off the wall in left.
Out of all of them. possible Boggs hit a fair number off the wall.Attached Files
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^ so much for the theory Yaz uniquely took advantage of his park and should be credited for it
what happened is he got inflated numbers playing in an offensive park and those inflated numbers disappeared when he played in normal parks
boston hitters over the years have routinely been over valued because of inflated numbers due to park illusions
period
Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View PostOnly a small sample on the number of players but you would expect it to be just the opposite with the Green Monster.
But, the left handers doubles home and away shows the bigger gap.
Obviuosly the configuration of the park in right and right center played a part.
Doubtful those lefthanders hit a significant number off the wall in left.
Out of all of them. possible Boggs hit a fair number off the wall.Last edited by 9RoyHobbsRF; 06-21-2012, 08:43 AM.1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
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Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post^ so much for the theory Yaz uniquely took advantage of his park and should be credited for it
what happened is he got inflated numbers playing in an offensive park and those inflated numbers disappeared when he played in normal parks
boston hitters over the years have routinely been over valued because of inflated numbers due to park illusions
period
park his team plays in
but at the end of the day a player
with over 3400 hits and 450 home runs and 90 WAR, and a triple crown
and an MVP and 7 gold gloves
and 55 Black Ink (avg HOFer: 27)
is an all time great player.
regardless of whether he had a favorable home park
periodMy top 10 players:
1. Babe Ruth
2. Barry Bonds
3. Ty Cobb
4. Ted Williams
5. Willie Mays
6. Alex Rodriguez
7. Hank Aaron
8. Honus Wagner
9. Lou Gehrig
10. Mickey Mantle
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home .306 .402 .503
road .264 .357 .422
the truth hurts1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
2. Strat-O-Matic Baseball Player, Collector and Hobbyist since 1969, visit my strat site: http://forums.delphiforums.com/GamersParadise
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Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View PostWhat happened to Yaz after 1970? He has a fair amount of Black Ink from 1963-70. Then nothing after that.
July 10, 1972
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...6289/index.htm
If, indeed, Yastrzemski is finished as a home-run hitter, the hand injury he suffered last season trying to steal a base is probably more to blame than the knee he hurt sliding into home plate against the Angels on May 9 this year.
But then (which may just be talk)...
For his own part, Yaz says he simply hasn't been swinging for the fences. "I don't think the injuries have anything to do with it. It's just a matter of whether I'm trying for home runs or not. It's easier for me to hit this way."
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Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Posthome .306 .402 .503
road .264 .357 .422
the truth hurts
Funny how you ignored every point in my post.My top 10 players:
1. Babe Ruth
2. Barry Bonds
3. Ty Cobb
4. Ted Williams
5. Willie Mays
6. Alex Rodriguez
7. Hank Aaron
8. Honus Wagner
9. Lou Gehrig
10. Mickey Mantle
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now lets look at some "similar"* players (* accoridng to baseball ref.com)
Harold Baines
Home .290 .361 .468
Road .289 .351 .461
dont see any 81 points drop in slugging
dont see any 42 point drop in BA
dont see any 45 point in OB %
why? because he did not have an offensive home park to inflate his numbers
Eddie Murray
Home .288 .364 .470
Road .286 .356 .482
dont see any 81 points drop in slugging
dont see any 42 point drop in BA
dont see any 45 point in OB %
why? because he did not have an offensive home park to inflate his numbers1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
2. Strat-O-Matic Baseball Player, Collector and Hobbyist since 1969, visit my strat site: http://forums.delphiforums.com/GamersParadise
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and my favorite
the strikeout king vs the batting champ
Yaz we already know
home .306 .402 .503
road .264 .357 .422 (so funny)
The Reg
Home .255 .349 .481
Road .268 .362 .499
Yaz in Fenway .306 .402 .503
Yaz in Oakland .253 .353 .394
Reg in Fenway .280 .369 .534
Reg in Oakland .258 .353 .491
park illusions are such a simple PROVEABLE concept
it is funny so many people are BLIND to it1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
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His black ink are a large part because he played in an offensive park
as a reminder
1962 OVERALL .296 19 HR .469 SA
1962 HOME .342 11 HR .563 SA
1962 ROAD .252 8 HR .379 SA
1965 OVERALL .312 20 HR .536 SA
1965 HOME .331 16 HR .639 SA
1965 ROAD .289 4 HR .417 SA
1977 OVERALL .296 28 HR .505 SA
1977 HOME .351 14 HR .557 SA
1977 ROAD .239 14 HR .453 SA
Dante Bichette had black ink too (look at 1995 w hen he led the league in hits, home runs, RBI slugging and TB)
Home .377 .397 .755
Road .300 .329 .473
do you really think someone who had a .329 OB% and a .473 SA is really the second best player in the league?1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
2. Strat-O-Matic Baseball Player, Collector and Hobbyist since 1969, visit my strat site: http://forums.delphiforums.com/GamersParadise
3. My table top gaming blog: http://cary333.blogspot.com/
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Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View PostHis black ink are a large part because he played in an offensive park
as a reminder
1962 OVERALL .296 19 HR .469 SA
1962 HOME .342 11 HR .563 SA
1962 ROAD .252 8 HR .379 SA
1965 OVERALL .312 20 HR .536 SA
1965 HOME .331 16 HR .639 SA
1965 ROAD .289 4 HR .417 SA
1977 OVERALL .296 28 HR .505 SA
1977 HOME .351 14 HR .557 SA
1977 ROAD .239 14 HR .453 SA
Dante Bichette had black ink too (look at 1995 w hen he led the league in hits, home runs, RBI slugging and TB)
Home .377 .397 .755
Road .300 .329 .473
do you really think someone who had a .329 OB% and a .473 SA is really the second best player in the league?
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see post 52
Originally posted by westsidegrounds View Postmaybe try looking at career splits rather than selected miscellaneous individual seasons ... ?1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
2. Strat-O-Matic Baseball Player, Collector and Hobbyist since 1969, visit my strat site: http://forums.delphiforums.com/GamersParadise
3. My table top gaming blog: http://cary333.blogspot.com/
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