if Alex Rodriguez gets 3,000 hits where does that rank him all time?
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No need to say "if" he gets 3000 hits. He has 5 1/2 more seasons on his contract, and he only needs 139 hits. In other words, it's guaranteed.
As for his ranking, his years with Texas are tainted, aren't they? And who knows if he used when with Seattle; he said he didn't.. but....
Anyway, steroid or no steroids, he's below Honus Wagner on the Shortstop list.
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Originally posted by redban View PostNo need to say "if" he gets 3000 hits. He has 5 1/2 more seasons on his contract, and he only needs 139 hits. In other words, it's guaranteed.
As for his ranking, his years with Texas are tainted, aren't they? And who knows if he used when with Seattle; he said he didn't.. but....
Anyway, steroid or no steroids, he's below Honus Wagner on the Shortstop list.
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3000+ hits, 700+ HRs, and 300+ SBs along with stellar SS defense puts him in the top 15. I personally cannot stand this guy. But his career numbers are unparalleled in many ways and cannot be ignored. If we factor in even a modest linear increase in league quality over the past 100 years, then he cracks the top 10, which is reasonable. Some may say he'd rank even higher. But Bonds does a good job a knocking him down a few notches.
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AROD is arguably the best SS ever AND the best 3B ever. What else could his legacy be except sterling?
And I don't hold steroid use against him one bit. He was ratted out years after taking a CONFIDENTIAL screening. I'm way more upset that the results were kept and leaked. Remember, he was a poster boy for the clean players, until the rat. That should tell us a lot about the steroid era.This week's Giant
#5 in games played as a Giant with 1721 , Bill Terry
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Originally posted by JR Hart View PostAROD is arguably the best SS ever AND the best 3B ever.
It would also be interesting to see Ernie Banks on the SS list but not the 1B list. Rod Carew is another interesting case.
Pete Rose would be a little messier. I remember him mostly strongly as a third baseman. Folks here at the Fever hardly ever place him there and opt for the outfield or first base.Your Second Base Coach
Garvey, Lopes, Russell, and Cey started 833 times and the Dodgers went 498-335, for a .598 winning percentage. That’s equal to a team going 97-65 over a season. On those occasions when at least one of them missed his start, the Dodgers were 306-267-1, which is a .534 clip. That works out to a team going 87-75. So having all four of them added 10 wins to the Dodgers per year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5hCIvMule0
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Originally posted by Second Base Coach View PostWhat an interesting thought. If you put 20 people in one room and twenty people in another, and one rank SS and the other 3B, ARod would surely be on both lists if the people deciding were knowledgeable and were not limited on where they had to place someone like him on the diamond.
It would also be interesting to see Ernie Banks on the SS list but not the 1B list. Rod Carew is another interesting case.
Pete Rose would be a little messier. I remember him mostly strongly as a third baseman. Folks here at the Fever hardly ever place him there and opt for the outfield or first base.
But, my #1 mental image is of him diving headfirst into a base just for the hell of it.
I wouldn't trust ARod's account of the limits of his steroid usage. The whole era is just a mess as far as the legacies of most of the top players are concerned, and I don't trust in characterizations of players like Griffey Jr. as being clearly clean...we'll probably know most of the rest of the story within 20-30 years, and some of it will never come to light."If I drink whiskey, I'll never get worms!" - Hack Wilson
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He's a hofer but he's like Bonds in my eyes. 3000 hits doesn't mean much for him in my opinion. Does he deserve a hof plaque? Sure but I wont look at him like Ted Williams or Babe Ruth."(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack
"I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)
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