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  • Magglio Ordonez vs Carlos Delgado

    I'm going to run a series of polls with the winner advancing each time to face another opponent. Will leave each poll up for a week. I'll try to provide as much statistical information as possible. Hopefully we can get some lively insightful debates going and bring to light some overlooked players from yesteryear.
    If you could pick between these two players to start your franchise with which would you pick? Please consider all relavent information. Their careers as a whole, peak performance, hitting, fielding, baserunning, positional value, league quality, etc.

    Magglio Ordonez

    1848 games
    7745 plate appearances
    6978 at-bats
    1076 runs
    2156 hits
    426 doubles
    21 triples
    294 home runs
    1236 RBI
    94 stolen bases
    50 caught stealing
    651 walks
    852 strikeouts
    .309 AVG
    .369 OBP
    .502 SLG
    .871 OPS
    125 OPS+
    3506 total bases
    1251 runs created
    6.4 RC/G
    109 AIR
    .607 OW%
    .830 Total Average
    .293 Secondary Average
    241.1 Win Shares
    108.3 WSAB
    34.6 rWAR
    35.9 fWAR
    34.7 sWAR

    Carlos Delgado

    2035 games
    8657 plate appearances
    7283 at-bats
    1241 runs
    2038 hits
    483 doubles
    18 triples
    473 home runs
    1512 RBI
    14 stolen bases
    8 caught stealing
    1109 walks
    1745 strikeouts
    .280 AVG
    .383 OBP
    .546 SLG
    .929 OPS
    138 OPS+
    3976 total bases
    1588 runs created
    7.7 RC/G
    110 AIR
    .678 OW%
    .974 Total Average
    .419 Secondary Average
    303.8 Win Shares
    161.2 WSAB
    40.4 rWAR
    46.3 fWAR
    47.7 sWAR

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    Magglio Ordonez
    7.69%
    1
    Carlos Delgado
    92.31%
    12

    The poll is expired.

    My dream ballpark dimensions
    LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
    RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
    Location....San Diego

  • #2
    I always liked Magglio but I would have to say Delgado was better for a longer period.
    "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

    "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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    • #3
      I liked Carlos Delgado, don't know why.
      The Mets have the best, smartest fans in baseball.

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      • #4
        This one's close. Ordonez had a nice career but he was becoming a superstar before the injuries and he became just a very good contributing player. Delgado had a better career.
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        • #5
          Carlos Delgado.

          I'll never understand why he stopped playing when he did. He was a lock for 500 home runs.

          In a 13-year period (1996-2008), he hit 457 home runs and 1454 RBI. How many players in history have matched those numbers in any 13-year stretch?
          Last edited by GiambiJuice; 08-06-2012, 07:51 AM.
          My top 10 players:

          1. Babe Ruth
          2. Barry Bonds
          3. Ty Cobb
          4. Ted Williams
          5. Willie Mays
          6. Alex Rodriguez
          7. Hank Aaron
          8. Honus Wagner
          9. Lou Gehrig
          10. Mickey Mantle

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          • #6
            Jeez, Delgado had 99 XBHs in 2000...I never would have guessed that.
            I remember he was a catcher in the minors and there was a lot of buzz that he should be moved to take advantage of his bat ASAP. Toronto did move him, but some at the time thought it took too long and he never should have played there in the first place.
            "If I drink whiskey, I'll never get worms!" - Hack Wilson

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            • #7
              Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
              Carlos Delgado.

              I'll never understand why he stopped playing when he did. He was a lock for 500 home runs.
              I'm pretty sure it wasn't his choice...no one wanted to sign him if I recall.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
                I'm pretty sure it wasn't his choice...no one wanted to sign him if I recall.
                I'm sure he would have had plenty of suitors....at the right price. I think he wanted too much money and when he realized he wouldn't get it from anyone, decided that it wasn't worth is while to sign with anyone.
                My top 10 players:

                1. Babe Ruth
                2. Barry Bonds
                3. Ty Cobb
                4. Ted Williams
                5. Willie Mays
                6. Alex Rodriguez
                7. Hank Aaron
                8. Honus Wagner
                9. Lou Gehrig
                10. Mickey Mantle

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                • #9
                  The Red Sox actually did sign him in 2010, come to think of it. I remember, because I was excited and thought he'd make his way to 500 dingers. He spent only a few games with Pawtucket and struggled.

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                  • #10
                    Didn't he have some sort of major hip injury?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                      Carlos Delgado.

                      I'll never understand why he stopped playing when he did. He was a lock for 500 home runs.

                      In a 13-year period (1996-2008), he hit 457 home runs and 1454 RBI. How many players in history have matched those numbers in any 13-year stretch?
                      Players who have hit 457 home runs over a 13 year period (Number shown below is their best 13 year period)

                      - Aaron. 499
                      - Bonds. 561
                      - Delgado. 457
                      - Foxx. 503
                      - Gehrig. 472
                      - Griffey. 460
                      - Killebrew. 504
                      - Mays. 518
                      - McGwire. 470
                      - Palmeiro. 481
                      - Ramirez. 471
                      - A-Rod. 549
                      - Ruth. 603
                      - Schmidt. 476
                      - Sosa. 551
                      - thome. 486

                      Players who have had 1454 RBIs over a 13 year period:

                      - Aaron - 1472
                      - Delgado. 1454
                      - Foxx. 1520
                      - Gehrig. 1912
                      - Ott. 1455
                      - Ramirez. 1539
                      - A-Rod. 1603
                      - Ruth. 1788
                      - simmons. 1570

                      Players that have done both over the same 13 year period:

                      - Aaron
                      - Delgado
                      - Foxx
                      - Gehrig
                      - Ramirez
                      - A-Rod
                      - Ruth

                      While these numbers are obviusly arbitrary and picked to meet his career numbers, this is pretty impressive company

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Brooklyn View Post
                        Players who have hit 457 home runs over a 13 year period (Number shown below is their best 13 year period)

                        - Aaron. 499
                        - Bonds. 561
                        - Delgado. 457
                        - Foxx. 503
                        - Gehrig. 472
                        - Griffey. 460
                        - Killebrew. 504
                        - Mays. 518
                        - McGwire. 470
                        - Palmeiro. 481
                        - Ramirez. 471
                        - A-Rod. 549
                        - Ruth. 603
                        - Schmidt. 476
                        - Sosa. 551
                        - thome. 486

                        Players who have had 1454 RBIs over a 13 year period:

                        - Aaron - 1472
                        - Delgado. 1454
                        - Foxx. 1520
                        - Gehrig. 1912
                        - Ott. 1455
                        - Ramirez. 1539
                        - A-Rod. 1603
                        - Ruth. 1788
                        - simmons. 1570

                        Players that have done both over the same 13 year period:

                        - Aaron
                        - Delgado
                        - Foxx
                        - Gehrig
                        - Ramirez
                        - A-Rod
                        - Ruth

                        While these numbers are obviusly arbitrary and picked to meet his career numbers, this is pretty impressive company
                        Good work, thanks.

                        Isn't Dimaggio missing from the RBIs list?
                        My top 10 players:

                        1. Babe Ruth
                        2. Barry Bonds
                        3. Ty Cobb
                        4. Ted Williams
                        5. Willie Mays
                        6. Alex Rodriguez
                        7. Hank Aaron
                        8. Honus Wagner
                        9. Lou Gehrig
                        10. Mickey Mantle

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