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    Which championships teams won without a Hall of Fame player or manager? (For recent teams, likely or possible Hall of Famers apply.)

    I'll go one by one to find the most recent ones:
    • 2011 Cardinals = Pujols, Larussa, Berkman (possible)
    • 2010 Giants = Lincecum a possible.
    • 2009 Yankees = Jeter, Rivera, Rodriguez, Tiexiera (possible), Sabithia (possible), Damon (possible), Matsui (possible, if Japan career considered)
    • 2008 Phillies = NONE
    • 2007 Red Sox = Ramirez, Schilling, Ortiz (possible)
    • 2006 Cardinals = Larussa, Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds
    • 2005 White Sox = Frank Thomas, Kornerko (possible)
    • 2004 Red Sox = Ramirez, Schilling, Ortiz, Damon
    • 2003 Marlins = Miguel Cabrera, Pudge Rodriguez
    • 2002 Angels = NONE
    • 2001 Diamondbacks = Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling
    • 1998 - 2000 Yankees = Jeter, Clemens, Rivera, etc
    • 1997 Marlins = Sheffield, Leyland
    • 1996 Yankees = Jeter, Rivera
    • 1995 Braves = Chipper, Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, McGriff (possible)
    • 1993 Blue Jays = Alomar, Henderson, Delgado (possible), Morris (possible)
    • 1992 Blue Jays = Alomar, Winfield, Morris (possible), Kent (possible)
    • 1991 Twins = Puckett, Morris (possible)
    • 1990 Reds = Larkin
    • 1989 A's = Larussa, Henderson, Eckersley, McGwire
    • 1988 Dodgers = Tommy Lasorda, Don Sutton
    • 1987 Twins = Blyleven, Puckett, Carlton
    • 1986 Mets = Gary Carter
    • 1985 Royals = George Brett


    So since 1985, 2 out of 26 teams won with a Hall of Famer. Winning without a Hall of Famer player on your team is not so easy.

    Are there any more from the earlier days?

  • #2
    Just to give you the reverse of that, I was stationed in San Diego from 1978-80. The Padres had FOUR HOFers; Perry, Smith, Winfield, and Fingers. HOFers don't make a team great.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by redban View Post
      Which championships teams won without a Hall of Fame player or manager? (For recent teams, likely or possible Hall of Famers apply.)

      I'll go one by one to find the most recent ones:
      • 2011 Cardinals = Pujols, Larussa, Berkman (possible)
      • 2010 Giants = Lincecum a possible.
      • 2009 Yankees = Jeter, Rivera, Rodriguez, Tiexiera (possible), Sabithia (possible), Damon (possible), Matsui (possible, if Japan career considered)
      • 2008 Phillies = NONE
      • 2007 Red Sox = Ramirez, Schilling, Ortiz (possible)
      • 2006 Cardinals = Larussa, Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds
      • 2005 White Sox = Frank Thomas, Kornerko (possible)
      • 2004 Red Sox = Ramirez, Schilling, Ortiz, Damon
      • 2003 Marlins = Miguel Cabrera, Pudge Rodriguez
      • 2002 Angels = NONE
      • 2001 Diamondbacks = Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling
      • 1998 - 2000 Yankees = Jeter, Clemens, Rivera, etc
      • 1997 Marlins = Sheffield, Leyland
      • 1996 Yankees = Jeter, Rivera
      • 1995 Braves = Chipper, Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, McGriff (possible)
      • 1993 Blue Jays = Alomar, Henderson, Delgado (possible), Morris (possible)
      • 1992 Blue Jays = Alomar, Winfield, Morris (possible), Kent (possible)
      • 1991 Twins = Puckett, Morris (possible)
      • 1990 Reds = Larkin
      • 1989 A's = Larussa, Henderson, Eckersley, McGwire
      • 1988 Dodgers = Tommy Lasorda, Don Sutton
      • 1987 Twins = Blyleven, Puckett, Carlton
      • 1986 Mets = Gary Carter
      • 1985 Royals = George Brett


      So since 1985, 2 out of 26 teams won with a Hall of Famer. Winning without a Hall of Famer player on your team is not so easy.

      Are there any more from the earlier days?
      There are some guys on the 2008 Phillies team that I would give around an equal chance to making the HOF as Lincecum.
      The 1984 Tigers had a bunch of guys who garner HOF support, but none are in (yet). Morris has a good chance in his last ballot.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post
        There are some guys on the 2008 Phillies team that I would give around an equal chance to making the HOF as Lincecum.
        The 1984 Tigers had a bunch of guys who garner HOF support, but none are in (yet). Morris has a good chance in his last ballot.
        Lincecum already has 2 Cy Young awards, and he is only 28.

        Utley, Howard, Rollins - all of them are in the mid-30s now, with little time left to build their career resumes.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JR Hart View Post
          Just to give you the reverse of that, I was stationed in San Diego from 1978-80. The Padres had FOUR HOFers; Perry, Smith, Winfield, and Fingers. HOFers don't make a team great.
          The Mariners once had A-Rod, Griffey, Big Unit, and Edgar Martinez all in their primes for 3 years (1996-1998) and managed one win in one playoff appearance. Well, Johnson was in the NL the last 2 months of 1998, I guess.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by redban View Post
            Lincecum already has 2 Cy Young awards, and he is only 28.

            Utley, Howard, Rollins - all of them are in the mid-30s now, with little time left to build their career resumes.
            I don't think any of them will make it, but Howard will have some big stat accumulation when it is all said and done. Unless Lincecum comes back big-time, his chances are slim. Saberhagen had 2 Cys a WS and several more great years and didn't stay on the ballot long.

            I like Lincecum and hope he recovers and may be a HOFer, but there is nothing to suggest he is likely to be a HOFer.
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            • #7
              Utley's peak value was pretty amazing though, and I could see him as a candidate in the future. Don't forget about Cole Hamels either. He's only 28 and already has a noteworthy career to his name. He was the 2008 Phillies' ace.

              I'm not sure if Sheffield or Leyland will ever make the Hall of Fame, but they both have cases.

              The 2010 Giants also had Matt Cain and Buster Posey, both of whom I could see potentially making the Hall of Fame someday. It's way too early to say.
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              • #8
                My 1981 Los Angeles Dodgers had no Hall of Fame Players, but four of the guys in the batting order went on to become Major League managers.
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                • #9
                  I'll pick off where I left off:
                  • 1984 Tigers = Sparky Anderson, Alan Tramell (possible), Lou Whitaker (slightly possible, veteran's committee)
                  • 1983 Orioles = Cal Ripken, Eddie Murray, Jim Palmer,
                  • 1982 Cardinals = Whitney Herzog, Ozzie Smith, Bruce Sutter
                  • 1981 Dodgers = Tommy Lasorda, {NO Hall of Fame Players}
                  • 1980 Phillies = Mike Schmidt, Pete Rose*, Steve Carlton
                  • 1979 Pirates = Willie Stargell, Bert Blyleven
                  • 1978 Yankees = Reggie Jackson, Bob Lemon, Goose Goosage, Catfish Hunter
                  • 1977 Yankees = Reggie Jackson, Catfish Hunter
                  • 1975 + 1976 Reds = Sparky Anderson, Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, Pete Rose*, Tony Perez
                  • 1972 + 1973 + 1974 As = Reggie Jackson, Catfish Hunter, Rollie Fingers
                  • 1971 Pirates = Roberto Clemente, Willie Stargell, Bill Mazeroski,
                  • 1970 Orioles = Brooks Robinson, Frank Robinson, Earl Weaver, Jim Palmer
                  • 1969 Mets = Tom Seaver, Nolan Ryan, Gil Hodges (possible)


                  So from 1969 - 2011, only 2 teams won without a Hall of Fame player or manager. Now that shows how rare it is.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by redban View Post
                    I'll pick off where I left off:
                    [LIST][*]1984 Tigers = Sparky Anderson, Alan Tramell (possible), Lou Whitaker (slightly possible, veteran's committee)

                    Keep in mind that Jack Morris is just a handful of votes from making it in 2013.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JR Hart View Post
                      Just to give you the reverse of that, I was stationed in San Diego from 1978-80. The Padres had FOUR HOFers; Perry, Smith, Winfield, and Fingers. HOFers don't make a team great.
                      The 1987 Cubs had 3 HOF'ers, Maddux, Sandberg, and Dawson, plus Lee Smith and a young Raphael Palmeiro. They finished last.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ol' aches and pains View Post
                        The 1987 Cubs had 3 HOF'ers, Maddux, Sandberg, and Dawson, plus Lee Smith and a young Raphael Palmeiro. They finished last.
                        What about the 1966 Cubs? Banks, Williams, Santo, Jenkins, and even Robin Roberts at the end of his career. 59-103, last place in a ten-team league.
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                        • #13
                          bumping this old thread:

                          the royals if they win probably would be another Team with no HOFer. they have no guy with anything Close to HOF Talent (although ventura is still Young and could turn into one).

                          if the mets win they still have david wright who at least has/had HOF potential. that is a big difference to the royals Team. the 08 phillies also have no HOFer but utley had a HOF Peak and then got injured. Rollins was also somewhat borderline.

                          but the royals don't even have a "once had potential" borderline candidate (lets say a guy like andruw jones).

                          this is not to hate on the royals, it just Shows that they are a very well rounded Team without any real star Players.
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                          • #14
                            The 2005 White Sox had Frank Thomas in limited duty in the regular season, but he did not make the post-season roster, so I don't know how you'd want to score that. Mark Buerhle has a very outside chance of the HOF (say 1-2%) and Paul Konerko has a 0.01% chance of the HOF.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Toledo Inquisition View Post
                              The 2005 White Sox had Frank Thomas in limited duty in the regular season, but he did not make the post-season roster, so I don't know how you'd want to score that. Mark Buerhle has a very outside chance of the HOF (say 1-2%) and Paul Konerko has a 0.01% chance of the HOF.
                              I think any player that played during the RS gets the ring but technically you are right.
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