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  • Dave Parker vs Carlos Delgado

    I'm going to run a series of polls with the winner advancing each time to face another opponent. Will leave each poll up for a week. I'll try to provide as much statistical information as possible. Hopefully we can get some lively insightful debates going and bring to light some overlooked players from yesteryear.
    If you could pick between these two players to start your franchise with which would you pick? Please consider all relavent information. Their careers as a whole, peak performance, hitting, fielding, baserunning, positional value, league quality, etc.

    Dave Parker

    2466 games
    10184 plate appearances
    9358 at-bats
    1272 runs
    2712 hits
    526 doubles
    75 triples
    339 home runs
    1493 RBI
    154 stolen bases
    113 caught stealing
    683 walks
    1537 strikeouts
    .290 AVG
    .339 OBP
    .471 SLG
    .810 OPS
    121 OPS+
    4405 total bases
    1451 runs created
    5.5 RC/G
    98 AIR
    .610 OW%
    .744 Total Average
    .258 Secondary Average
    324.5 Win Shares
    145.8 WSAB
    36.3 rWAR
    45.7 fWAR
    36.5 sWAR

    Carlos Delgado

    2035 games
    8657 plate appearances
    7283 at-bats
    1241 runs
    2038 hits
    483 doubles
    18 triples
    473 home runs
    1512 RBI
    14 stolen bases
    8 caught stealing
    1109 walks
    1745 strikeouts
    .280 AVG
    .383 OBP
    .546 SLG
    .929 OPS
    138 OPS+
    3976 total bases
    1588 runs created
    7.7 RC/G
    110 AIR
    .678 OW%
    .974 Total Average
    .419 Secondary Average
    303.8 Win Shares
    161.2 WSAB
    40.4 rWAR
    46.3 fWAR
    47.7 sWAR

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    Dave Parker
    38.46%
    5
    Carlos Delgado
    61.54%
    8

    The poll is expired.

    My dream ballpark dimensions
    LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
    RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
    Location....San Diego

  • #2
    Delgado certainly comes out ahead by the percentages and even most counting numbers. Delgado's peak from 98-03 was 4049 PA .295/.413/.585 155 OPS + 644 R 237 HR 741 RBI. 29.6 WAR avg 4.9
    Parker at his peak (75-79) was considered the best player in baseball or on the very short list. 3230 PA .321/.377/.532 147 OPS+ 475 R 114 HR 490 RBI. 30.2 WAR avg 6.0
    It's hard to say you wouldn't start your franchise with a player who was nearly as good a hitter, but was an above average baserunner, good outfielder with a great arm in RF over an below average 1B and baserunner.

    If Parker didn't have the issues that he did who knows how much better he could have been. Delgado, it seems, had the optimal career, even to the point of ending slightly prematurely which meant his averages were not slightly dragged down.

    Better career Delgao, ranked higher Delgado. But who to start a franchise with: slugging 1B with a poor glove and speed over a RF that could run and throw while hitting with power and average. No contest for me. I take the RF and sacrifice the 5-6 HR the 1B will hit.

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    • #3
      What exactly do you mean by 'which player would I start my team with'? it could be interpreted different ways. Do you mean, which one would I pick if I could have either guy at the beginning of his actual career? Or which guy would I pick if they could both start over again? Makes a big difference. Parker did drugs and wasted the middle part of his career, and wasn't really the same even when he did 'come back'. Who on earth would want a guy like that?

      That said, i think WAR underrates both men. They both had great peaks, as well as good career counting stats. I don't see how they can both have under 50 WAR career-wise. Parker especially...only has 36.3 WAR in his career. For a guy with almost 3000 hits, 339 homers, almost 1500 RBI, and 121 OPS+, one would think he would have accumulated much more. I don't think he is all that much different than Dave Winfield.
      Last edited by willshad; 08-20-2012, 11:00 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by willshad View Post
        What exactly do you mean by 'which player would I start my team with'? it could be interpreted different ways. Do you mean, which one would I pick if I could have either guy at the beginning of his actual career? Or which guy would I pick if they could both start over again? Makes a big difference. Parker did drugs and wasted the middle part of his career, and wasn't really the same even when he did 'come back'. Who on earth would want a guy like that?
        Maybe it's reading too much into it by inferring that the player would not necesarily be injury prone, miss years due to war, do anti-PEDs, do PEDs, but they are judged sort of as they came into the league. By that logic maybe Pete Reiser becomes a top twenty selection, which in hindsight seems a bit extreme. But why bother saying start a franchise it could be who was better or who do you have ranked higher.

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        • #5
          Dave Parker had a much higher coolness factor! Could Delgado pull off this shot? I think not!

          Dave Parker.jpg
          Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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          • #6
            That pic is awesome!!! I'm actually old enough to remember Parker in the 1979 World Series. I was 11 then and Pitt was my 2nd favorite team, behind my hometown Twins.

            With that in mind, I'll still take Delgado, despite how cool Parker was. Delgado was much more consistent. I think Parker had great potential, however.

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            • #7
              Back in the 1990's I used to read Baseball America religiously. I remember when Delgado was coming up through the Blue Jays system. He was a star hitter in the minors. He was a catcher in the minors as well. But he only caught two games in his major league career (one game in 1993, one game in 1994). I find this interesting because when Delgado debuted in 1993 he had played his entire minor league career at catcher to that point. He hadn't played even one game at any other position. Was Delgado a poor defensive catcher or did the Blue Jays thinks he was too talented a hitter to "waste" playing catcher? In 1994 Delgado was in left field for the Blue Jays and in 1995 Delgado was back in the minors for most of the season playing left field and first base before returning to Toronto in September.
              Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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              • #8
                Originally posted by willshad View Post
                What exactly do you mean by 'which player would I start my team with'? it could be interpreted different ways. Do you mean, which one would I pick if I could have either guy at the beginning of his actual career? Or which guy would I pick if they could both start over again? Makes a big difference. Parker did drugs and wasted the middle part of his career, and wasn't really the same even when he did 'come back'. Who on earth would want a guy like that?

                That said, i think WAR underrates both men. They both had great peaks, as well as good career counting stats. I don't see how they can both have under 50 WAR career-wise. Parker especially...only has 36.3 WAR in his career. For a guy with almost 3000 hits, 339 homers, almost 1500 RBI, and 121 OPS+, one would think he would have accumulated much more. I don't think he is all that much different than Dave Winfield.
                It means that if you could choose either player, have their spend their entire careers, with your team, and put up the same exact career numbers that they did which player would you prefer to have?

                For me Parker may have been slighly better defensively and on the bases, but Delgado makes up for it offensively and then some.
                My dream ballpark dimensions
                LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
                RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
                Location....San Diego

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                • #9
                  carlos "i hate america" delgado by a nice margin

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sockeye View Post
                    It means that if you could choose either player, have their spend their entire careers, with your team, and put up the same exact career numbers that they did which player would you prefer to have?

                    For me Parker may have been slighly better defensively and on the bases, but Delgado makes up for it offensively and then some.
                    Not to mention the fact that Parker really only had one good year after age 28, and only six good years overall.

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