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  • #16
    Up to & including age 29

    Total Bases
    1. Alex Rodriguez 3576
    2. Jimmie Foxx 3488
    3. Mel Ott 3423
    4. Hank Aaron 3399
    5. Ken Griffey 3316
    6. Albert Pujols 3230
    7. Mickey Mantle 3195
    8. Miguel Cabrera 3100
    9. Frank Robinson 3063
    10. Rogers Hornsby 3059

    Doubles
    1. Joe Medwick 416
    2. Albert Pujols 387
    3. Miguel Cabrera 380
    4. Robin Yount 349
    5. Stan Musial 343
    6. Vada Pinson 342
    7. Edgar Renteria 340
    8. Alex Rodriguez 338
    9. Sherry Magee 337
    10. Mel Ott 336

    RBI
    1. Jimmie Foxx 1345
    2. Mel Ott 1306
    3. Alex Rodriguez 1226
    4. Ken Griffey 1152
    5. Lou Gehrig 1146
    6. Hank Aaron 1121
    7. Albert Pujols 1112
    8. Miguel Cabrera 1093
    9. Juan Gonzalez 1075
    10. Mickey Mantle 1063

    Extra Base Hits
    1. Alex Rodriguez 792
    2. Jimmie Foxx 785
    3. Albert Pujols 767
    4. Ken Griffey 748
    5. Hank Aaron 740
    6. Mel Ott 739
    7. Miguel Cabrera 703
    8. Lou Gehrig 701
    9. Joe Medwick 699
    10. Frank Robinson 692

    IBB
    1. Albert Pujols 198
    2. Barry Bonds 174
    3. Ken Griffey 170
    4. Miguel Cabrera 156
    5. Vladimir Guerrero 144
    6. Ted Simmons 138
    7. Prince Fielder 132
    8. Frank Robinson 129
    9. Rusty Staub 127
    10. Hank Aaron 124

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    • #17
      Originally posted by White Knight View Post
      Talk to me when he has multiple 200+ OPS+ seasons.
      it's hard to do that nowadays because nobody can use roids.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Blackout View Post
        it's hard to do that nowadays because nobody can use roids.
        200+ seasons since 1961:

        McCovey
        Brett (missed 45 games)
        Bonds
        Bonds

        Bagwell (missed 52 games)
        Thomas (missed 49 games)
        McGwire (PEDS)
        Giambi (PEDS)
        Bonds (PEDS)
        Sosa (PEDS)
        Bonds 4x (PEDS)


        So in 50 seasons, 200+ OPS+ have been done 3 times by clean players over a full season. (14 if we include everybody)

        In the 51 years before that, it was done over 30 times in clean/full seasons (38 if we include everybody)

        So one of two things are happening:

        1. There are environmental factors that are making it much harder to get 200+ OPS+ nowadays or
        2. They just don't make 'em like they used to.
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        • #19
          Let's not forget Dick Allen had a 199 OPS+ in 1972. :-)
          Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
            Let's not forget Dick Allen had a 199 OPS+ in 1972. :-)
            I believe Thome also had a near-miss.
            Lou Gehrig is the Truest Yankee of them all!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Buczilla View Post
              Up to & including age 29

              Total Bases
              1. Alex Rodriguez 3576
              2. Jimmie Foxx 3488
              3. Mel Ott 3423
              4. Hank Aaron 3399
              5. Ken Griffey 3316
              6. Albert Pujols 3230
              7. Mickey Mantle 3195
              8. Miguel Cabrera 3100
              9. Frank Robinson 3063
              10. Rogers Hornsby 3059

              Doubles
              1. Joe Medwick 416
              2. Albert Pujols 387
              3. Miguel Cabrera 380
              4. Robin Yount 349
              5. Stan Musial 343
              6. Vada Pinson 342
              7. Edgar Renteria 340
              8. Alex Rodriguez 338
              9. Sherry Magee 337
              10. Mel Ott 336

              RBI
              1. Jimmie Foxx 1345
              2. Mel Ott 1306
              3. Alex Rodriguez 1226
              4. Ken Griffey 1152
              5. Lou Gehrig 1146
              6. Hank Aaron 1121
              7. Albert Pujols 1112
              8. Miguel Cabrera 1093
              9. Juan Gonzalez 1075
              10. Mickey Mantle 1063

              Extra Base Hits
              1. Alex Rodriguez 792
              2. Jimmie Foxx 785
              3. Albert Pujols 767
              4. Ken Griffey 748
              5. Hank Aaron 740
              6. Mel Ott 739
              7. Miguel Cabrera 703
              8. Lou Gehrig 701
              9. Joe Medwick 699
              10. Frank Robinson 692

              IBB
              1. Albert Pujols 198
              2. Barry Bonds 174
              3. Ken Griffey 170
              4. Miguel Cabrera 156
              5. Vladimir Guerrero 144
              6. Ted Simmons 138
              7. Prince Fielder 132
              8. Frank Robinson 129
              9. Rusty Staub 127
              10. Hank Aaron 124
              Can you do a HR list? I'd guess Mac would be first?
              Lou Gehrig is the Truest Yankee of them all!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                Let's not forget Dick Allen had a 199 OPS+ in 1972. :-)
                Of course if we add in all of the near misses from 1901-1961...
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post
                  Of course not. That is why clean 200 OPS+ seasons are almost non-existent since the early 60's. Who has had a clean 200+ season since Mantle? Bonds in 1992 and 1993? Anybody else? Brett and Thomas and Bagwell in shortened seasons.
                  180 is the new 200.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post
                    200+ seasons since 1961:

                    McCovey
                    Brett (missed 45 games)
                    Bonds
                    Bonds

                    Bagwell (missed 52 games)
                    Thomas (missed 49 games)
                    McGwire (PEDS)
                    Giambi (PEDS)
                    Bonds (PEDS)
                    Sosa (PEDS)
                    Bonds 4x (PEDS)


                    So in 50 seasons, 200+ OPS+ have been done 3 times by clean players over a full season. (14 if we include everybody)

                    In the 51 years before that, it was done over 30 times in clean/full seasons (38 if we include everybody)

                    So one of two things are happening:

                    1. There are environmental factors that are making it much harder to get 200+ OPS+ nowadays or
                    2. They just don't make 'em like they used to.
                    This is a perfect example of why I think the quality of play has drastically improved over the years. Either that, or as you said, coincidentally all of the best hitters off all-time just happened to have played pre integration.

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                    • #25
                      Cabrera is in his prime right now, just coming off two amazing seasons where he posted a 178 and 181 OPS+, and is having another excellent season. I think he is on his way to becoming an "all-time hitter" barring any career ending injuries.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                        How do you define "all time hitter"?
                        He hits all the time.
                        They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by White Knight View Post
                          Can you do a HR list? I'd guess Mac would be first?
                          Home Runs Up to & including age 29
                          1. Alex Rodriguez 429
                          2. Ken Griffey 398
                          3. Jimmie Foxx 379
                          4. Mickey Mantle 374
                          5. Eddie Mathews 370
                          6. Albert Pujols 366
                          7. Hank Aaron 342
                          Andruw Jones 342
                          Mel Ott 342
                          10. Juan Gonzalez 340

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                          • #28
                            ^Wow, three at 342. What are the odds of that.
                            Chop! Chop! Chop!

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by brett View Post
                              180 is the new 200.
                              At least make it 190. 180 is still pretty common yearly.
                              Lou Gehrig is the Truest Yankee of them all!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by ol' aches and pains View Post
                                He hits all the time.
                                I see. The closest I can think of is Kelley Leak hitting .841 in 1977.
                                Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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