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  • #31
    Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
    2 ASG in 22 years says a lot
    It shows he was underrated regardless of whether or not one thinks deserves to be in the Hall. Plenty of generally agreed upon non-HOF caliber starting pitchers have made 3 or more ASGs.

    It's like when MVPs never make a ASG.

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    • #32
      There's another reason why you can be a great pitcher and not make many all-star teams. You pitch much better in the second half. Check out Blyleven's splits.

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...ear=Career&t=p

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      • #33
        Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
        BTW, didn't Blyleven lead the world in HR allowed>?
        So did Robin Roberts for a long time, and he had 6 20 win seasons, was a 7 time all-star, and was tops in pitcher WAR 6 times.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by 1905 Giants View Post
          So did Robin Roberts for a long time, and he had 6 20 win seasons, was a 7 time all-star, and was tops in pitcher WAR 6 times.
          which is irrelevant in a discussion on Bert Blyleven

          Roberts was a 7 time AS and received MVP voting in 7 years

          compared to 2 and 2 for Bert
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          • #35
            Actually, I should have listed Blyleven among the afforementioned compilers. He certainly was one. Bert probably had better stuff than the other 3. And because Perry isn't as much of a compiler as Bert, doesn't mean that he wasn't one. He still was.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
              which is irrelevant in a discussion on Bert Blyleven

              Roberts was a 7 time AS and received MVP voting in 7 years

              compared to 2 and 2 for Bert
              Well, I'm not saying I'm a big Blyleven fan, because I'm not. My point instead was that giving up a lot of homeruns doesn't make for a bad pitcher necessarily.

              For the Record Blyleven is currently 8th on the all-time list, behind (in order): Moyer, Roberts, Jenkins, Niekro, Sutton, Tanana, and Spahn.
              Last edited by 1905 Giants; 09-21-2012, 04:14 PM.
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              • #37
                Back to the point of this thread, I never hear much about Rod Carew, but looking at his stats he was a pretty darn good ballplayer.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
                  this is the definition of a compiler
                  The notion behind the term "compiler" being some sort of pejorative is itself foolish. That's perfectly clear from my post.
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                  • #39
                    Underrated -
                    Relievers like Jesse Orosco, Tom Gordon, Mark Eichhorn, Keith Foulke, Bob Stanley (believe it or not)

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                    • #40
                      Bert Blyleven

                      22 yeaRS
                      2 asg
                      1 20 GAME SEASON

                      DEFINITION OF A COMPILER
                      1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
                      2. Strat-O-Matic Baseball Player, Collector and Hobbyist since 1969, visit my strat site: http://forums.delphiforums.com/GamersParadise
                      3. My table top gaming blog: http://cary333.blogspot.com/

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                      • #41
                        Just write "ibid." It'll save you time.

                        And dgarza is right. Middle guys are important in the modern game but get less respect than pretty much anybody else in uniform.
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                        • #42
                          Oh, what the heck:

                          Sutton, P. Niekro, Blyleven, Ryan, G. Perry, all underrated. Cy Young, too, at a higher level, way underrated.
                          Indeed the first step toward finding out is to acknowledge you do not satisfactorily know already; so that no blight can so surely arrest all intellectual growth as the blight of cocksureness.--CS Peirce

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                          • #43
                            That's a good list.

                            Ryan is underrated here (I'm guilty of it myself) and overrated out in the wider world.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Los Bravos View Post
                              That's a good list.

                              Ryan is underrated here (I'm guilty of it myself) and overrated out in the wider world.
                              Thanks. I'm guilty too, and for our sins we will spend eternity in box seats in Hell Stadium watching Nolan Ryan pitch to Adam Dunn.
                              Indeed the first step toward finding out is to acknowledge you do not satisfactorily know already; so that no blight can so surely arrest all intellectual growth as the blight of cocksureness.--CS Peirce

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Jackaroo Dave View Post
                                Thanks. I'm guilty too, and for our sins we will spend eternity in box seats in Hell Stadium watching Nolan Ryan pitch to Adam Dunn.
                                When Ryan eventually threw at Dunn's head (you know he would), would Adam actually get fired up enough to go annihilate the Express?
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