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    Congratulations to Oscar Charleston, the Negro League's phenomenal all-around performer, for copping our 32st Greatest Hitter! He scored 29 points with 3 first place votes and just squeaked by Tony Gwynn, the Padres' sweet-swinging, great-hitting right-fielder, who scored 28 points with a single first place vote. George Brett brings up 3rd place. The BoSox' 3rd baseman's high BA-ave. ace scored 23 points and 1 first place vote.

    Thanks to the 5 people who participated in this round! I really appreciate it!

    This round for our 33nd Greatest Hitter of All Time is now open! Let the Games Begin! Round 33 will end when AstrosFan calls it. How bout helpin' him out with lots of full 5 person ballots and 5 person Honorable Mentions to work with!

    We actually collected 5 whole ballots, folks! We is on a major roll. And gaining momentum!

    Red = Negro Leagues = 1
    Blue = 19th Century = 2
    Bold = active = 1

    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Ted Williams
    3. Ty Cobb
    4. Lou Gehrig
    5. Rogers Hornsby
    6. Mickey Mantle
    7. Stan Musial
    8. Barry Bonds
    9. Hank Aaron
    10. Honus Wagner
    11. Willie Mays
    12. Jimmie Foxx
    13. Tris Speaker
    14. Joe DiMaggio
    15. Josh Gibson
    16. Frank Robinson
    17. Frank Thomas
    18. Nap Lajoie
    19. Mel Ott
    20. Albert Pujols
    21. Mike Schmidt
    22. Joe Jackson
    23. Alex Rodriquez
    24. Hank Greenberg
    25. Dan Brouthers
    26. Johnny Mize
    27. Eddie Collins
    28. Ed Delahanty
    29. Mike Piazza
    30. Manny Ramirez
    31. Jeff Bagwell
    32.

    As per our usual, please consider everything. Relative stats, counting totals, peak, longevity, special skills, home/away splits, etc. If anyone wants to show the relative stats, home/away breakdowns for the leading candidates, that would be great. Can't hurt, always helps.

    We are now ONLY voting for the 32th Greatest Hitter. So, please submit your list of your next Top 5 Hitters along with your next set of 5 Honorable Mentions, if you would be so kind. As the winner of Round 31, Jeff Bagwell is now eliminated from our further consideration.
    Code:
    Round 1.---23 voters
    
    -------------------1st pl.-----------2nd------3rd------4th----5th--Total 
    1. Babe Ruth------70 pts.(14)------28(7)----3(1)------0-----1(1)----101 
    2. Ted Williams-----30(6)------------48(12)---9(3)-----2(1)---1(1)----90
    3. Ty Cobb---------15(3)-------------8(2)--30(10)-----6(3)-----0-----59
    4. Lou Gehrig--------0----------------4(1)---15(5)----10(5)---5(5)----34
    5. Rogers Hornsby---0-----------------0-------6(2)----12(6)---6(6)---24
    6. Stan Musial-------0-----------------4(1)-----0-------2(1)---2(2)----8
    7. Hank Aaron-------0-----------------0--------3(1)----2(1)---2(2)----7
    7. Mickey Mantle----0-----------------0---------0------6(3)---1(1)----7
    9. Barry Bonds------0-----------------0---------3(1)----0------2(2)---5
    10. Frank Thomas---0-----------------0---------0-------4(2)----0-----4
    11. Tony Gwynn----0-----------------0---------0--------2(1)----0-----2
    12. Alex Rodriguez--0-----------------0---------0---------0------1(1)--1
    13. Joe DiMaggio---0-----------------0---------0---------0------1(1)--1
    14. Jimmy Foxx-----0-----------------0---------0---------0------1(1)--1
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Round 2.---21 voters
    
    1. Ted Williams - 101(17)
    2. Ty Cobb - 73(4)
    3. Lou Gehrig - 37
    4. Rogers Hornsby - 35
    5. Hank Aaron - 19
    6. Stan Musial - 13
    7. Willie Mays - 8
    8. Josh Gibson - 6
    9. Mickey Mantle - 5
    10. Barry Bonds - 4
    11. Tony Gwynn - 2
    12. Honus Wagner - 1
    12. Jimmy Foxx - 1
    12. Alexander Rodriguez - 1
    
    Here is the breakdown.
    
    ---------------------1st place------2nd--------3rd----------4th---------5th
    1. Ted Williams--------85(17)-------16(4)-------0------------0-----------0
    2. Ty Cobb-----------20(4)--------44(11)------6(2)--------2(1)---------1(1)
    3. Lou Gehrig----------0------------4(1)-------6(2)--------6(3)---------4(4)
    4. Rogers Hornsby-----0------------8(2)-------18(6)-------6(3)---------3(3)
    5. Hank Aaron---------0------------4(1)-------6(2)--------6(3)---------4(4)
    6. Stan Musial---------0------------4(1)-------3(1)--------4(2)---------2(2)
    7. Willie Mays---------0--------------0----------0---------6(3)---------2(2)
    8. Josh Gibson--------0--------------0---------6(2)---------0-----------0
    9. Mickey Mantle------0--------------0---------3(1)--------0-----------2(2)
    10. Barry Bonds-------0-------------4(1)--------0----------0------------0
    11. Honus Wagner-----0--------------0---------0-----------0-----------1(1)
    12. Jimmy Foxx--------0--------------0---------0-----------0-----------1(1)
    13. Tony Gwynn-------0--------------0---------0-----------0-----------1(1)
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Round 3.---20 voters
    
    1. Ty Cobb - 85(12)
    2. Lou Gehrig - 54(3)
    3. Rogers Hornsby - 45(1)
    4. Hank Aaron - 28(2)
    5. Mickey Mantle - 18
    6. Stan Musial - 15
    7. Barry Bonds - 13(2)
    8. Willie Mays - 11
    9. Josh Gibson - 8
    10. Honus Wagner - 7
    10. Frank Thomas - 7
    12. Jimmy Foxx - 4
    13. Alexander Rodriguez - 1
    
    Here's the fine breakdown.
    
    ---------------------1st-----2nd---3rd----4th----5th
    1. Ty Cobb--------60(12)---12(3)--12(4)---0-----1(1)
    2. Lou Gehrig-------5(3)-----8(2)---21(7)--8(4)---2(2)
    3. Rogers Hornsby--5(1)----24(6)----9(3)--4(2)---3(3)
    4. Hank Aaron-----10(2)------0------6(2)-10(5)---2(2)
    5. Mickey Mantle----0-------8(2)----0------8(3)---2(2)
    6. Stan Musial-------0-------4(1)---3(1)----2(1)---6(6)
    7. Barry Bonds------10(2)----0-----3(1)-----0------0
    8. Willie Mays--------0-------8(2)--3(1)-----0------0
    9. Josh Gibson-------0-------4(1)----0-----4(2)----0
    10. Honus Wagner---0-------4(1)----0-----2(1)----1(1) 
    10. Frank Thomas---0-------4(1)----3(1)----0------0
    12. Jimmy Foxx-----0---------0-------0-----2(1)---2(2)
    13. Alexander Rodriguez-0----0--------0------0-----1(1)
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Round 4.  ---21 voters.
    
    1. Lou Gehrig - 85(9)
    2. Rogers Hornsby - 82(9)
    3. Mickey Mantle - 32(1)
    4. Hank Aaron - 27(1)
    5. Stan Musial - 17
    6. Honus Wagner - 16
    7. Josh Gibson - 15
    8. Willie Mays - 11
    9. Barry Bonds - 8
    10. Jimmy Foxx - 6
    11. Frank Thomas - 5
    12. Alexander Rodriguez - 3
    13. Chino Smith - 2
    14. Joe DiMaggio - 1
    14. Rod Carew - 1
    14. Tris Speaker - 1
    
    Fine Breakdown:
    
    ---------------------------1st---2nd----3rd----4th---5th
    1. Lou Gehrig-------------45(9)--24(6)--12(4)--4(2)---0
    2. Rogers Hornsby--------45(9)--24(6)---9(3)---4(2)---0
    3. Mickey Mantle----------5(1)---4(1)--15(5)---8(4)---0
    4. Hank Aaron-------------5(1)---4(1)---9(3)---4(2)--5(5)
    5. Stan Musial--------------0-----4(1)---6(2)---6(3)--1(1)
    6. Honus Wagner-----------0-----8(2)---3(1)----0----5(5) 
    6. Josh Gibson-------------0-----4(1)---9(3)----2(1)---0 
    8. Willie Mays--------------0-----4(1)----0------6(3)--1(1)
    9. Barry Bonds-------------0-----4(1)----0------2(1)--2(2) 
    10. Frank Thomas----------0-----4(1)----0------0-----1(1) 
    11. Jimmy Foxx------------0-------0------0-----4(2)--2(2) 
    12. Alexander Rodriguez----0-------0------0-----2(1)--1(1) 
    13. Chino Smith------------0-------0------0-----2(1)---0
    14. Joe DiMaggio-----------0-------0------0------0----1(1)
    14. Rod Carew-------------0-------0------0------0----1(1)
    14. Tris Speaker
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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    Code:
    Round 5.---21 voters.---last round
    
    1. Rogers Hornsby - 92(17)
    2. Mickey Mantle - 38(1)
    3. Barry Bonds - 32(1)
    4. Honus Wagner - 30
    5. Stan Musial - 28
    6. Hank Aaron - 24(1)
    7. Willie Mays - 17
    8. Josh Gibson - 11
    9. Joe DiMaggio - 6
    10. Dan Brouthers - 5(1)
    11. Jimmy Foxx - 4
    12. Frank Thomas - 3
    12. Ichiro Suzuki - 3
    14. Alexander Rodriguez - 2
    14. Chino Smith - 2
    16. Joe Jackson - 1
    16. Buck Leonard - 1
    16. Tris Speaker - 1
    
    The fine breakdown.
    ---------------------1st------2nd----3rd-----4th-----5th---Totals
    1. Rogers Hornsby----85(17)---4(1)--3(1)------0------0------92
    2. Mickey Mantle-------5(1)--16(4)---12(4)---2(1)---3(3)----38
    3. Barry Bonds----------5(1)---8(2)----3(1)--14(7)---2(2)----32
    4. Honus Wagner---------0----24(6)---6(2)----0------0------30
    5. Stan Musial------------0-----4(1)--12(4)---2(1)---3(2)----28
    6. Hank Aaron-----------5(1)----4(1---9(3)---4(2)---2(1)----24
    7. Willie Mays-------------0-----4(1)---6(2)---4(2)---3(3)----17
    8. Josh Gibson------------0-----8(2)---3(1)-----0-----0------11
    9. Joe DiMaggio-----------0-------0----3(3)---2(1)---1(1)-----6
    10. Dan Brouthers--------5(1)-----0-----0------0------0------5
    11. Jimmy Foxx-----------0-------0------0-----0------4(4)----4
    12. Frank Thomas--------0--------0----3(1)----0------0-------3
    12. Ichiro Suzuki---------0--------0----3(1)----0------0-------3
    14. Alexander Rodriquez--0--------0-----0------2(1)---0-------2
    14. Chino Smith----------0--------0-----0------2(1)---0-------2
    16. Joe Jackson----------0--------0-----0------0------1(1)----1
    16. Buck Leonard----------0--------0-----0------0-----1(1)----1
    16. Tris Speaker-----------0--------0-----0------0-----1(1)----1
    Round 6
    Code:
    Fname	Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Mickey	Mantle		6	5	3	1	1	62
    Stan	Musial		4	4	5	0	4	55
    Barry	Bonds		5	2	3	3	2	50
    Honus	Wagner		5	1	2	1	4	41
    Willie	Mays		0	3	3	5	0	31
    Hank	Aaron		0	2	1	5	2	23
    Tris	Speaker		0	1	1	1	2	11
    Josh	Gibson		0	1	1	1	0	9
    Joe	DiMaggio	0	0	1	1	0	5
    Alex	Rodriguez	0	1	0	0	1	5
    Frank	Thomas		0	0	0	0	4	4
    Round 7
    Code:
    Fname	Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Stan	Musial		4	9	3	1	2	69
    Barry	Bonds		9	2	3	2	2	68
    Hank	Aaron		0	3	5	4	3	38
    Honus	Wagner		4	1	0	4	2	34
    Willie	Mays		0	1	3	3	3	22
    Jimmie	Foxx		1	1	3	0	0	18
    Josh	Gibson		1	1	1	1	1	15
    Tris	Speaker		0	1	2	0	4	14
    Albert	Pujols		1	0	0	1	1	8
    Joe	DiMaggio	0	1	0	1	1	7
    Dan	Brouthers	0	0	1	1	0	5
    Frank	Thomas		0	0	0	1	1	3
    Roger	Connor		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Alex	Rodriguez	0	0	0	0	0	0
    Round 8.
    Code:
    Fname	Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Barry	Bonds		5	4	3	2	0	54
    Hank	Aaron		3	1	8	1	4	49
    Honus	Wagner		5	1	3	2	2	44
    Willie	Mays		1	4	3	5	1	41
    Jimmie	Foxx		2	4	1	1	6	37
    Josh	Gibson		3	1	0	0	1	20
    Tris	Speaker		0	1	1	2	2	13
    Joe	DiMaggio	0	1	0	2	0	8
    Frank	Thomas		0	1	0	2	0	8
    Hank	Greenberg	0	1	1	0	0	7
    Tony	Gwynn		1	0	0	0	0	5
    Wade	Boggs		0	1	0	0	0	4
    Joe	Jackson		0	0	0	1	1	3
    Dan	Brouthers	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Nap	Lajoie		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Mel	Ott		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Manny	Ramirez		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Al	Simmons		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 9.
    Code:
    Fname	Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Hank	Aaron		5	5	5	1	2	64
    Willie	Mays		2	5	6	2	0	52
    Honus	Wagner		5	3	2	2	3	50
    Jimmie	Foxx		1	3	1	5	5	35
    Tris	Speaker		1	1	1	1	4	18
    Frank	Thomas		1	1	1	2	0	16
    Josh	Gibson		2	0	0	1	0	12
    Shoeless Joe	Jackson	1	0	0	1	0	7
    Albert	Pujols		1	0	0	0	0	5
    Joe	DiMaggio	0	0	1	0	1	4
    Hank	Greenberg	0	1		0	0	4
    Dan	Brouthers	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Mel	Ott		0	0	0	1	1	3
    Frank	Robinson	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Nap	Lajoie		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Manny	Ramirez		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Sam	Thompson	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Oscar	Charleston	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Willie	McCovey		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Alex	Rodriguez	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 10
    Code:
    Fname		Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Honus		Wagner		8	2	2	3	0	60
    Willie		Mays		3	6	4	2	2	57
    Jimmie		Foxx		1	6	6	1	3	52
    Frank		Thomas		2	3	3	1	1	34
    Tris		Speaker		2	1	1	4	0	25
    Shoeless Joe	Jackson		2	0	1	0	2	15
    Josh		Gibson		1	1	0	1	1	12
    Albert		Pujols		0	0	1	2	1	8
    Frank		Robinson	0	1	0	1	1	7
    Joe		DiMaggio	0	0	1	1	1	6
    Dan		Brouthers	0	0	1	0	2	5
    Alex		Rodriguez	1	0	0	0	0	5
    Nap		Lajoie		0	0	0	1	1	3
    Mel		Ott		0	0	0	1	1	3
    Hank		Greenberg	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Pop		Lloyd		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Manny		Ramirez		0	0	0	0	2	2
    Mike		Schmidt		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Sam		Thompson	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 11
    Code:
    Fname	Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Willie	Mays		12	3	0	3	0	78
    Jimmie	Foxx		4	9	4	2	0	72
    Tris	Speaker		0	2	4	2	3	27
    Josh	Gibson		2	0	2	1	2	20
    Frank	Thomas		1	0	3	2	0	18
    Joe	DiMaggio	0	2	1	1	1	14
    Frank	Robinson	0	0	1	3	2	11
    Mel	Ott		0	1	1	1	1	10
    Nap	Lajoie		0	0	1	2	2	9
    Mike	Schmidt		0	0	0	2	3	7
    Dan	Brouthers	0	1	0	0	2	6
    Ken	Griffey Jr.	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Hank	Greenberg	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Alex	Rodriguez	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Albert	Pujols		0	0	0	0	2	2
    Ed	Delahanty	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 12
    Code:
    Fname	Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Jimmie	Foxx		9	2	1	0	1	57
    Tris	Speaker		0	4	0	7	0	30
    Josh	Gibson		1	3	2	0	2	25
    Joe	DiMaggio	2	2	0	1	4	24
    Nap	Lajoie		0	1	3	0	0	13
    Frank	Thomas		0	1	3	0	0	13
    Mike	Schmidt		0	0	2	2	2	12
    Frank	Robinson	0	0	2	1	2	10
    Mel	Ott		0	0	1	2	0	7
    Dan	Brouthers	1	0	0	0	1	6
    Ken	Griffey Jr.	1	0	0	0	0	5
    Hank	Greenberg	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Ichiro	Suzuki		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Mark	McGwire		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Albert	Pujols		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 13
    Code:
    Fname		Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Tris		Speaker		2	4	4	2	0	42
    Josh		Gibson		5	2	0	2	0	37
    Nap		Lajoie		2	2	2	0	1	25
    Joe		DiMaggio	2	0	0	2	5	19
    Mike		Schmidt		0	2	2	2	0	18
    Frank		Robinson	0	1	1	3	1	14
    Frank		Thomas		0	1	1	0	1	8
    Dan		Brouthers	1	0	0	1	0	7
    Hank		Greenberg	0	1	0	0	1	5
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	1	0	0	0	0	5
    Mel		Ott		0	0	1	0	1	4
    Sam		Crawford	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Shoeless Joe	Jackson		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Lefty		O'Doul		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Ed		Delahanty	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Harry		Heilmann	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Alex		Rodriguez	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 14
    Code:
    Fname		Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Joe		DiMaggio	3	1	1	6	0	34
    Josh		Gibson		3	2	3	0	1	33
    Nap		Lajoie		3	1	2	1	2	29
    Frank		Robinson	1	2	2	1	1	22
    Mike		Schmidt		0	3	3	0	0	21
    Frank		Thomas		0	2	1	0	2	13
    Hank		Greenberg	1	0	0	1	4	11
    Dan		Brouthers	1	0	1	0	0	8
    Mel		Ott		0	1	1	0	0	7
    Alex		Rodriguez	1	0	0	1	0	7
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	1	0	0	0	0	5
    Sam		Crawford	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Shoeless Joe	Jackson		0	1	0	0	0	4
    Ed		Delahanty	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Harry		Heilmann	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Johnny		Mize		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Albert		Pujols		0	0	0	0	2	2
    Chino		Smith		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Mark		McGwire		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Lefty		O'Doul		0	0	0	0	1	1
    15th Greatest Hitter
    Code:
    Fname		Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Josh		Gibson		6	3	3	1	1	54
    Nap		Lajoie		3	2	3	2	0	36
    Frank		Robinson	2	3	2	2	4	36
    Mike		Schmidt		1	2	5	1	2	32
    Frank		Thomas		0	6	0	2	0	28
    Hank		Greenberg	2	0	1	4	0	21
    Albert		Pujols		2	0	0	1	2	14
    Mel		Ott		0	1	1	1	0	9
    Alex		Rodriguez	1	0	1	0	1	9
    Dan		Brouthers	1	0	1	0	0	8
    Shoeless Joe	Jackson		0	1	0	1	1	7
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	1	0	0	0	0	5
    Sam		Crawford	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Johnny		Mize		0	0	1	0	1	4
    Chino		Smith		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Ed		Delahanty	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Harry		Heilmann	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Eddie		Collins		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Mark		McGwire		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Lefty		O'Doul		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Al		Simmons		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Mike		Piazza		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 16.
    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Frank		Robinson	3	5	5	7	6	70
    Frank		Thomas		4	3	7	5	5	68
    Nap		Lajoie		4	1	4	4	1	45
    Mike		Schmidt		0	4	2	7	4	40
    Mel		Ott		1	2	4	1	8	35
    Albert		Pujols		2	2	0	5	4	32
    Hank		Greenberg	1	3	1	2	2	26
    Joe		Jackson		0	1	3	4	4	25
    Dan		Brouthers	2	1	1	0	3	20
    Alex		Rodriguez	0	1	3	1	0	15
    Eddie		Collins		0	0	0	1	2	4
    Sam		Crawford	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Tony		Gwynn		0	0	0	2	0	4
    Mark		McGwire		0	1	0	0	0	4
    Harry		Heilmann	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Johnny		Mize		0	0	0	0	2	2
    Al		Simmons		0	0	0	0	2	2
    Sam		Thompson	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Wade		Boggs		0	0	0	0	1	1
    George		Brett		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Oscar		Charleston	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Mike		Piazza		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ichiro		Suzuki		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 17.
    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Frank		Thomas		3	2	5	10	4	62
    Nap		Lajoie		4	2	3	3	2	45
    Mel		Ott		1	4	1	4	7	39
    Mike		Schmidt		0	3	3	5	8	39
    Albert		Pujols		1	2	3	3	6	34
    Hank		Greenberg	2	2	1	2	3	28
    Joe		Jackson		0	0	5	3	4	25
    Dan		Brouthers	2	1	1	2	1	22
    Alex		Rodriguez	0	2	2	1	0	16
    Tony		Gwynn		0	0	1	1	1	6
    Eddie		Collins		0	0	0	2	1	5
    Sam		Crawford	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Mark		McGwire		0	1	0	0	0	4
    George		Brett		0	0	0	1	1	3
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Harry		Heilmann	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Johnny		Mize		0	0	0	0	2	2
    Al		Simmons		0	0	0	0	2	2
    Sam		Thompson	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Wade		Boggs		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Oscar		Charleston	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ed		Delahanty	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Pop		Lloyd		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Mike		Piazza		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ichiro		Suzuki		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 18
    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Nap		Lajoie		4	3	2	3	3	47
    Mel		Ott		2	3	3	4	6	45
    Mike		Schmidt		1	3	3	4	10	44
    Albert		Pujols		2	2	3	3	5	38
    Hank		Greenberg	2	2	1	4	2	31
    Joe		Jackson		1	0	2	5	4	25
    Dan		Brouthers	2	1	3	0	1	24
    Alex		Rodriguez	0	1	3	1	1	16
    Tony		Gwynn		0	1	0	1	1	7
    Eddie		Collins		0	0	0	2	2	6
    George		Brett		0	0	1	1	0	5
    Mark		McGwire		1	0	0	0	0	5
    Sam		Crawford	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Harry		Heilmann	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Johnny		Mize		0	0	0	0	3	3
    Al		Simmons		0	0	0	0	3	3
    Ed		Delahanty	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Mike		Piazza		0	0	0	0	2	2
    Sam		Thompson	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Wade		Boggs		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Oscar		Charleston	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Pop		Lloyd		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ichiro		Suzuki		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 19.
    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Mel		Ott		3	2	6	2	7	52
    Mike		Schmidt		3	2	1	7	8	48
    Albert		Pujols		2	3	3	4	5	44
    Hank		Greenberg	2	2	3	2	3	34
    Joe		Jackson		1	0	3	6	7	33
    Dan		Brouthers	2	2	2	0	1	25
    Alex		Rodriguez	0	3	1	1	2	19
    Eddie		Collins		1	0	1	2	1	13
    Tony		Gwynn		0	1	0	2	0	8
    George		Brett		0	0	2	0	1	7
    Sam		Crawford	1	0	0	0	0	5
    Mark		McGwire		1	0	0	0	0	5
    Al		Simmons		0	0	0	2	1	5
    Harry		Heilmann	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Rickey		Henderson	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Johnny		Mize		0	0	0	0	3	3
    Ed		Delahanty	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Joe		Morgan		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Mike		Piazza		0	0	0	0	2	2
    Sam		Thompson	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Wade		Boggs		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Oscar		Charleston	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Pop		Lloyd		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Pete		Rose		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ichiro		Suzuki		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 20.
    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Albert		Pujols		3	3	4	2	6	49
    Mike		Schmidt		1	3	3	5	10	46
    Joe		Jackson		1	0	3	9	5	37
    Hank		Greenberg	2	2	3	3	2	35
    Dan		Brouthers	2	3	1	0	1	26
    Alex		Rodriguez	0	3	1	3	2	23
    Eddie		Collins		1	1	1	2	0	16
    Tony		Gwynn		0	0	1	2	0	7
    George		Brett		0	0	1	1	1	6
    Mark		McGwire		1	0	0	0	1	6
    Johnny		Mize		0	0	0	0	5	5
    Sam		Crawford	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Rickey		Henderson	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Al		Simmons		0	0	0	1	2	4
    Ed		Delahanty	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Harry		Heilmann	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Joe		Morgan		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Mike		Piazza		0	0	0	0	2	2
    Pete		Rose		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Sam		Thompson	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Wade		Boggs		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Oscar		Charleston	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Pop		Lloyd		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ichiro		Suzuki		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 21.
    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Mike		Schmidt		1	4	2	5	13	50
    Joe		Jackson		1	1	5	5	6	40
    Hank		Greenberg	2	3	2	4	2	38
    Dan		Brouthers	4	1	1	0	2	29
    Alex		Rodriguez	1	1	4	3	2	29
    Eddie		Collins		1	1	2	1	0	17
    Tony		Gwynn		0	0	1	2	0	7
    Johnny		Mize		0	0	0	2	3	7
    George		Brett		0	0	1	1	1	6
    Mark		McGwire		0	1	0	1	0	6
    Sam		Crawford	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Ed		Delahanty	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Rickey		Henderson	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Harry		Heilmann	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Joe		Morgan		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Mike		Piazza		0	0	0	0	3	3
    Al		Simmons		0	0	0	0	3	3
    Oscar		Charleston	0	0	0	0	2	2
    Pete		Rose		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Sam		Thompson	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Wade		Boggs		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Pop		Lloyd		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ichiro		Suzuki		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 22.
    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Joe		Jackson		1	3	3	5	6	42
    Hank		Greenberg	2	2	4	4	1	39
    Alex		Rodriguez	2	1	4	2	4	34
    Dan		Brouthers	4	0	1	1	2	27
    Eddie		Collins		1	1	2	0	1	16
    Johnny		Mize		0	0	0	2	5	9
    Tony		Gwynn		0	0	1	2	0	7
    Mark		McGwire		0	1	0	1	0	6
    George		Brett		0	0	0	2	1	5
    Sam		Crawford	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Ed		Delahanty	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Rickey		Henderson	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Joe		Morgan		0	0	1	0	1	4
    Oscar		Charleston	0	0	0	1	1	3
    Harry		Heilmann	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Mike		Piazza		0	0	0	0	3	3
    Al		Simmons		0	0	0	0	3	3
    Pete		Rose		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Sam		Thompson	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Jeff		Bagwell		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Wade		Boggs		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Pop		Lloyd		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Manny		Ramirez		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ichiro		Suzuki		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 23.
    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Alex		Rodriguez	3	3	3	2	3	43
    Hank		Greenberg	1	4	2	5	2	39
    Dan		Brouthers	3	2	3	2	2	38
    Eddie		Collins		1	1	2	1	1	18
    Johnny		Mize		0	1	0	3	4	14
    Tony		Gwynn		0	0	1	3	0	9
    Mark		McGwire		0	1	1	0	0	7
    Jeff		Bagwell		0	0	1	1	0	5
    Ed		Delahanty	0	1	0	0	1	5
    George		Brett		0	0	0	1	2	4
    Oscar		Charleston	0	0	1	0	1	4
    Sam		Crawford	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Rickey		Henderson	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Joe		Morgan		0	0	1	0	1	4
    Mike		Piazza		0	0	0	1	2	4
    Harry		Heilmann	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Al		Simmons		0	0	0	0	3	3
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	0	0	0	0	2	2
    Manny		Ramirez		0	0	0	0	2	2
    Pete		Rose		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Wade		Boggs		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Pop		Lloyd		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Eddie		Mathews		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ichiro		Suzuki		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Sam		Thompson	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 24.
    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Hank		Greenberg	2	2	3	5	2	39
    Dan		Brouthers	3	0	3	4	1	33
    Eddie		Collins		1	1	1	1	4	18
    Johnny		Mize		1	0	1	3	4	18
    Tony		Gwynn		0	0	2	2	0	10
    Oscar		Charleston	0	1	0	0	2	6
    Jeff		Bagwell		0	1	1	0	0	7
    Mark		McGwire		0	1	1	0	0	7
    Ed		Delahanty	0	1	0	0	1	5
    Mike		Piazza		0	0	1	0	2	5
    George		Brett		0	0	0	1	2	4
    Sam		Crawford	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Rickey		Henderson	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Eddie		Mathews		0	0	1	0	1	4
    Joe		Morgan		0	0	1	0	1	4
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	0	0	0	1	1	3
    Harry		Heilmann	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Manny		Ramirez		0	0	0	1	1	3
    Al		Simmons		0	0	0	0	3	3
    Pete		Rose		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Cap		Anson		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Wade		Boggs		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Roger		Connor		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Pop		Lloyd		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Edgar		Martinez	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ichiro		Suzuki		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Sam		Thompson	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 25.
    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Dan		Brouthers	3	0	2	5	1	32
    Johnny		Mize		1	1	1	2	4	20
    Eddie		Collins		1	0	2	3	2	19
    Tony		Gwynn		0	1	1	2	0	11
    Jeff		Bagwell		0	2	0	0	0	8
    Oscar		Charleston	1	0	0	0	2	7
    Ed		Delahanty	0	1	0	0	3	7
    Mike		Piazza		0	0	1	1	2	7
    Mark		McGwire		0	1	0	1	0	6
    George		Brett		0	0	0	1	2	4
    Sam		Crawford	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Harry		Heilmann	0	0	1	0	1	4
    Rickey		Henderson	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Eddie		Mathews		0	0	1	0	1	4
    Joe		Morgan		0	0	1	0	1	4
    Roger		Connor		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Manny		Ramirez		0	0	0	1	1	3
    Al		Simmons		0	0	0	0	3	3
    Pete		Rose		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Cap		Anson		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Wade		Boggs		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Pop		Lloyd		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Edgar		Martinez	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ichiro		Suzuki		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Sam		Thompson	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 26.
    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Johnny		Mize		2	2	0	2	4	26
    Eddie		Collins		1	0	3	2	3	21
    Tony		Gwynn		0	1	1	2	1	12
    Mike		Piazza		1	0	2	0	1	12
    Jeff		Bagwell		1	1	0	1	0	11
    Ed		Delahanty	0	1	0	2	2	10
    Oscar		Charleston	1	0	0	1	1	8
    Mark		McGwire		0	1	0	1	0	6
    George		Brett		0	0	0	1	3	5
    Sam		Crawford	0	1	0	0	1	5
    Harry		Heilmann	0	0	1	1	0	5
    Roger		Connor		0	1	0	0	0	4
    Rickey		Henderson	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Eddie		Mathews		0	0	1	0	1	4
    Joe		Morgan		0	0	1	0	1	4
    Manny		Ramirez		0	0	0	1	1	3
    Al		Simmons		0	0	0	0	3	3
    Pete		Rose		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Cap		Anson		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Wade		Boggs		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Pop		Lloyd		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Edgar		Martinez	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ichiro		Suzuki		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Sam		Thompson	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 27.
    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Eddie		Collins		1	2	1	4	2	26
    Mike		Piazza		2	1	2	0	1	21
    Tony		Gwynn		1	1	1	3	1	19
    Jeff		Bagwell		2	0	1	0	1	14
    Manny		Ramirez		0	2	1	1	1	14
    Ed		Delahanty	0	0	2	2	2	12
    Oscar		Charleston	1	1	0	0	1	10
    Harry		Heilmann	0	0	2	1	0	8
    George		Brett		0	0	0	2	2	6
    Mark		McGwire		0	1	0	1	0	6
    Roger		Connor		1	0	0	0	0	5
    Sam		Crawford	0	1	0	0	1	5
    Rickey		Henderson	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Joe		Morgan		0	0	1	0	1	4
    Wade		Boggs		0	0	0	0	3	3
    Eddie		Mathews		0	0	0	1	1	3
    Al		Simmons		0	0	0	0	3	3
    Jim		Thome		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Pete		Rose		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Cap		Anson		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Pop		Lloyd		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Edgar		Martinez	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Gary		Sheffield	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ichiro		Suzuki		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Sam		Thompson	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 28
    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Ed		Delahanty	2	1	2	1	2	24
    Mike		Piazza		2	2	1	0	1	23
    Tony		Gwynn		1	1	2	2	1	20
    Manny		Ramirez		0	2	1	1	2	15
    Jeff		Bagwell		2	0	1	0	1	14
    Oscar		Charleston	1	1	0	1	1	12
    George		Brett		0	0	0	2	4	8
    Harry		Heilmann	0	0	2	1	0	8
    Sam		Crawford	0	1	0	1	0	6
    Mark		McGwire		0	1	0	1	0	6
    Wade		Boggs		0	0	0	2	1	5
    Rickey		Henderson	1	0	0	0	0	5
    Joe		Morgan		0	1	0	0	1	5
    Dick		Allen		0	1	0	0	0	4
    Eddie		Mathews		0	0	0	2	0	4
    Roger		Connor		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Pete		Rose		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Al		Simmons		0	0	0	0	3	3
    Jim		Thome		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Cap		Anson		0	0	0	0	2	2
    Gary		Sheffield	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Pop		Lloyd		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Edgar		Martinez	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ichiro		Suzuki		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Sam		Thompson	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Carl		Yastrzemski	0	0	0	0	1	1

    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Mike		Piazza		5	1	2	1	1	38
    Tony		Gwynn		0	3	2	4	0	26
    Manny		Ramirez		1	2	2	1	3	24
    Jeff		Bagwell		2	1	2	1	1	23
    George		Brett		0	0	2	2	4	14
    Oscar		Charleston	1	1	0	1	2	13
    Harry		Heilmann	0	1	2	1	0	12
    Cap		Anson		0	1	0	1	1	7
    Wade		Boggs		0	0	1	1	2	7
    Sam		Crawford	0	1	1	0	0	7
    Rickey		Henderson	1	0	0	1	0	7
    Mark		McGwire		0	1	0	1	1	7
    Joe		Morgan		0	1	0	0	1	5
    Dick		Allen		0	1	0	0	0	4
    Vladimir	Guerrero	0	1	0	0	0	4
    Eddie		Mathews		0	0	0	2	0	4
    Roger		Connor		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Pete		Rose		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Al		Simmons		0	0	0	0	3	3
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	0	0	0	0	2	2
    Gary		Sheffield	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Roberto		Clemente	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Chipper		Jones		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Pop		Lloyd		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Edgar		Martinez	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ichiro		Suzuki		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Jim		Thome		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Sam		Thompson	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Carl		Yastrzemski	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 30.
    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Manny		Ramirez		2	6	0	1	3	39
    Jeff		Bagwell		3	0	2	1	1	24
    Tony		Gwynn		0	2	2	5	0	24
    Eddie		Mathews		0	2	2	1	2	18
    Oscar		Charleston	2	0	0	3	1	17
    Harry		Heilmann	1	1	2	1	0	17
    Rickey		Henderson	2	1	0	1	0	16
    George		Brett		0	0	3	0	6	15
    Wade		Boggs		0	1	1	1	2	11
    Dick		Allen		1	1	0	0	0	9
    Sam		Crawford	0	1	1	0	1	8
    Joe		Morgan		0	1	1	0	1	8
    Cap		Anson		0	1	0	1	1	7
    Mark		McGwire		0	0	2	0	1	7
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	0	0	0	2	2	6
    Vladimir	Guerrero	1	0	0	0	0	5
    Chipper		Jones		0	0	1	1	0	5
    Jim		Thome		0	0	0	1	2	4
    Roger		Connor		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Edgar		Martinez	0	0	0	0	3	3
    Pete		Rose		0	0	1	0	0	3
    Gary		Sheffield	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Al		Simmons		0	0	0	0	2	2
    Willie		Wells		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Pop		Lloyd		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ichiro		Suzuki		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Sam		Thompson	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Carl		Yastrzemski	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 31.
    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Jeff		Bagwell		3	3	1	1	1	33
    Oscar		Charleston	3	0	1	1	3	23
    Tony		Gwynn		0	2	2	4	1	23
    George		Brett		0	1	3	1	6	21
    Rickey		Henderson	1	2	1	0	0	16
    Wade		Boggs		0	1	1	2	2	13
    Harry		Heilmann	2	0	1	0	0	13
    Eddie		Mathews		0	2	0	2	1	13
    Dick		Allen		0	1	1	2	0	11
    Cap		Anson		1	0	1	1	1	11
    Jim		Thome		1	0	1	1	0	10
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	0	1	0	2	1	9
    Mark		McGwire		0	0	1	3	0	9
    Sam		Crawford	0	1	1	0	1	8
    Chipper		Jones		0	0	2	0	0	6
    Pete		Rose		0	0	2	0	0	6
    Vladimir	Guerrero	1	0	0	0	0	5
    Joe		Morgan		0	1	0	0	1	5
    Gary		Sheffield	0	0	0	1	2	4
    Edgar		Martinez	0	0	0	0	3	3
    Roger		Connor		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Reggie		Jackson		0	0	0	0	2	2
    Al		Simmons		0	0	0	0	2	2
    Billy		Hamilton	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Pop		Lloyd		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ichiro		Suzuki		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Sam		Thompson	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Carl		Yastrzemski	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Round 32.
    Code:
    FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Oscar		Charleston	3	2	1	0	3	29
    Tony		Gwynn		1	1	3	5	0	28
    George		Brett		1	0	3	1	7	23
    Harry		Heilmann	3	0	2	0	1	22
    Rickey		Henderson	1	3	0	0	0	17
    Eddie		Mathews		1	1	1	2	0	16
    Wade		Boggs		0	2	0	3	2	16
    Cap		Anson		1	0	1	1	2	12
    Dick		Allen		0	1	2	1	0	12
    Edgar		Martinez	1	0	0	1	4	11
    Jim		Thome		1	1	0	1	0	11
    Mark		McGwire		0	0	3	1	0	11
    Ken		Griffey Jr.	0	1	1	1	1	10
    Sam		Crawford	0	1	1	0	1	8
    Chipper		Jones		0	1	1	0	1	8
    Pete		Rose		0	1	1	0	0	7
    Gary		Sheffield	0	0	0	3	1	7
    Dan		Brouthers	0	1	0	1	0	6
    Vladimir	Guerrero	1	0	0	0	0	5
    Joe		Morgan		0	1	0	0	0	4
    Reggie		Jackson		0	0	0	1	1	3
    Al		Simmons		0	0	0	0	3	3
    Roger		Connor		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Billy		Hamilton	0	0	0	1	0	2
    Harmon		Killebrew	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Pop		Lloyd		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Ichiro		Suzuki		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Sam		Thompson	0	0	0	0	1	1
    Larry		Walker		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Carl		Yastrzemski	0	0	0	0	1	1

  • #2
    Reference Resources:

    Relative SLG. Ave. is the 1st number, and serves as presumption unless I note mitigating factors.

    1. Babe Ruth - 172.5 - 13 SLG. titles - 10,504 PA - 207 OPS+ - Rel. ISO - 303. Need I say more? Nuff said.

    2. Ted Williams - 154.9 - 9 SLG. titles - 9786 PA - 185 OPS+ - Rel. ISO - 220. Takes 2nd nicely. Missing war yrs.? Offset by Babe's "missing pitching yrs."

    3. Ty Cobb - 141.4 - 8 SLG. titles - 12,777 PA- 167 OPS+ - Rel. ISO - 159. Ranks above others with higher SLG. AVE., due to more titles, over a much longer career, higher PA, extended decline phase. Differences in PA with Hornsby equals 7 full seasons of decline.

    4. Rogers Hornsby - 147.3. - 9 titles - 9259 PA - 175 OPS+ - Rel. ISO - 203. High SLG. Ave./titles earn high ranking.

    5. Lou Gehrig - 154.0 - 2 SLG. titles - 9954 PA - 179 OPS+ - Rel. ISO - 230. Ave. held up well, of course due to lack of decline phase, hence low PA. Only won 2 titles.

    6. Barry Bonds - 148.0 - 7 SLG. titles - 12,606 PA - 182 OPS+ - Rel. ISO - 213. I had him ranked 2nd, but his admitted steroid usage drops him IMHO. Had too great an advantage over his peers.

    7. Honus Wagner - 132.9 - 6 SLG. Titles - 11,731 PA - 150 OPS+ - Rel. ISO - 167

    8. Willie Mays - 139.2 - 5 SLG. titles - 12,480 PA - 156 OPS+ - Rel. ISO - 186.

    9. Mickey Mantle - 143.8 - 4 SLG. titles - 9895 PA - 172 OPS+ - Rel. ISO - 198. Too few titles over relatively weak sluggers.

    10. Hank Aaron - 140.6 - 4 SLG. titles - 13,919 PA - 155 OPS+ - Rel. ISO - 187. Too few titles over long career.

    11. Jimmy Foxx - 143.7 - 5 SLG. titles - 9,599 PA - 163 OPS+ - Rel. ISO - 214. Too few PA relative to Aaron/Mays.

    12. Joe Jackson - 1.45.2 - 1 SLG. title - 5690 PA - 170 OPS+ - Rel. ISO - 187. Too few PA to rank higher - Placed in top 5 SLG. all his 9 yrs.; 2nd 3 times, once 3rd, 2 4ths, 2 5ths.

    13. Stan Musial- 137.1 - 6 SLG. Titles - 12,712 PA - 159 OPS+ - Rel. ISO - 168.

    14. Tris Speaker - 134.3 - 1 SLG. Title - 11,988 PA - 158 OPS+ - Rel. ISO - 163.

    15. Nap Lajoie - 133.9 - 4 SLG. Titles - 10,460 PA - 150 OPS+ - Rel. ISO - 159

    16. Mike Schmidt - 133.6 - 5 SLG. Titles - 10, 062 PA - 147 OPS+ - Rel. ISO - 205.

    17. Hank Greenberg - 1.44.3 - 1 SLG. Title - 6,096 - 158 OPS+. Lost 4.5 seasons to WWII. Age 30-34. Out of game by age 36 spared him his decline phase.

    18. Joe DiMaggio - 142.9 - 2 SLG. Titles - 7,671 PA - 155 OPS+. His numbers appear worse due to Yankee Stadium, but better due to lack of decline phase. Lost 3 prime seasons to WWII.

    19. Dan Brouthers - 1.40.6 - 7 SLG. Titles - 7,658 PA - 170 OPS+. Too few PA to rank higher.


    20. Ed Delahanty - 1.33.5 - 5 SLB. Titles - 8,389 PA - 152 OPS+. Too few PA to rank higher.

    Sluggers such as Greenberg, McGwire, DiMaggio, Mize and Brouthers all had PA fewer than 7,700. Honorable Mentions to Richie Allen, Frank Thomas.
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    Code:
    My Candidates for Most Impressive Hitting Peak Ever:
    
    1. Barry Bonds - 2001-2004,---------244 OPS+
    
    2. Babe Ruth - 1920-1924,-----------221 OPS+
    
    3. Ted Williams - 1942-1949,--------209 OPS+
    
    4. Rogers Hornsby - 1921-1925,------202 OPS+
    
    5. Ty Cobb - 1909-1913,-------------197 OPS+
    
    6. Lou Gehrig - 1927-1934,----------193 OPS+
    
    7. Mickey Mantle - 1956-1962,-------191 OPS+
    
    8. Honus Wagner - 1905-1909,--------187 OPS+
    
    9. Stan Musial - 1943-1948,---------174 OPS+
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    Win Shares:
    as compiled by Chris (538280)
    
    Wagner 1905-1909: 237
    Ruth 1920-1924: 233
    Bonds 2000-2004: 227
    Williams 1941-1949: 220
    Cobb 1909-1913: 207
    Mantle 1956-1960: 205
    Morgan 1972-1976: 197
    Gehrig 1927-1931: 193
    Musial 1943-1948: 192 
    Hornsby 1921-1925: 188
    
    WARP3-this has a LQ adjustment and it adjusted for the 162 game vs. 154 game schedule in case you don't know
    
    Bonds 2000-2004: 71.7
    Ruth 1920-1924: 71.5
    Williams: 1941-1948: 69.0
    Morgan 1972-1976: 66.3
    Hornsby 1921-1925: 63.6
    Wagner 1905-1909: 62.8
    Musial 1943-1948: 61.3
    Mantle 1956-1960: 61.1
    Gehrig 1927-1931: 57.3
    Cobb 1909-1913: 54.4
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Relative Stats: courtesy of David Kent:
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Rel Rel Through 2003, over 5,000 PA, indexed and park adjusted.
    Code:
    Pro+  OBA  Slg                                      Rel     Rel
    Rank Rank Rank  Player               PA    Pro+     OBA     Slg
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    
      1    2    1   Babe Ruth          10504   207.0   134.5   172.5 
      2    1    2   Ted Williams        9786   189.5   134.6   154.9
      3   11    3   Lou Gehrig          9554   180.4   126.4   154.0
      4    3    4   Barry Bonds        10963   180.0   131.6   148.4
      5    8    5   Rogers Hornsby      9259   174.7   127.4   147.3
      8   16    6   Joe Jackson         5559   168.7   123.9   144.8
     16  102    7   Hank Greenberg      6061   157.3   113.5   143.9
      6    5    8   Mickey Mantle       9895   172.1   128.3   143.8
     11   40    9   Mark McGwire        7657   162.8   119.0   143.8
     13   43   10   Jimmie Foxx         9599   161.6   117.9   143.7
     21  122   11   Joe DiMaggio        7657   155.6   112.7   142.9
     17   78   12   Johnny Mize         7351   157.0   114.9   142.1
      7    4   13   Dan Brouthers       7656   170.9   129.4   141.4
      9   10   14   Ty Cobb            12777   168.4   127.0   141.4
     22   83   15   Hank Aaron         13919   155.2   114.6   140.6
     18   54   16   Dick Allen          7295   156.7   116.8   140.0
     20   53   17   Willie Mays        12480   156.0   116.8   139.2
     25   52   18   Mike Piazza         6007   154.7   117.0   137.7
     14   24   19   Stan Musial        12677   158.2   121.1   137.1
     38  192   20   Willie Stargell     9017   147.1   110.0   137.1
     19   36   21   Manny Ramirez       5910   156.5   119.8   136.7
     26   41   22   Frank Robinson     11726   154.0   118.5   135.5
     12    9   23   Frank Thomas        8167   162.6   127.3   135.3
     10    6   24   Pete Browning       5315   163.2   128.0   135.3
     15   18   25   Tris Speaker       11679   157.4   123.0   134.3
     23   25   26   Mel Ott            11228   155.0   120.9   134.1
     48  215   27   Albert Belle        6669   142.9   108.9   134.0
     33   60   28   Nap Lajoie         10239   150.0   116.1   133.9
     35   86   29   Ralph Kiner         6247   148.0   114.4   133.7
     40  111   30   Mike Schmidt       10046   146.8   113.2   133.6
     41  131   31   Sam Thompson        6497   145.4   111.9   133.5
     29   42   32   Ed Delahanty        8340   151.5   118.1   133.4
     42  159   33   Ken Griffey Jr.     8161   144.0   110.9   133.1
     32   48   34   Honus Wagner       11518   150.4   117.6   132.9
     36   77   35   Willie McCovey      9681   147.7   114.9   132.9
     43  153   36   Alex Rodriguez      5671   143.9   111.1   132.7
     24   21   37   Roger Connor        8834   154.9   122.2   132.6
     46  158   38   Sam Crawford       10353   143.5   110.9   132.5
     93  514   39   Juan Gonzalez       7014   133.3   100.8   132.5
     49  163   40   Frank Howard        7346   142.8   110.7   132.2
     57  226   41   Jeff Heath          5540   140.4   108.6   131.8
     64  272   42   Wally Berger        5636   138.8   107.2   131.6
     39   66   43   Harry Heilmann      8683   147.0   115.7   131.2
     30   35   44   Jim Thome           6420   150.9   119.8   131.0
     27   20   45   Jeff Bagwell        8626   153.4   122.3   131.0
     44  118   46   Hack Wilson         5454   143.7   112.8   130.9
     50  125   47   Harry Stovey        6832   142.8   112.5   130.3
     58  165   48   Babe Herman         6134   140.2   110.6   129.6
     66  205   49   Darryl Strawberry   6325   138.6   109.3   129.3
    102  419   50   Sammy Sosa          8462   132.4   103.1   129.3
    
    
    
          Rel  Rel
    Pro+  OBA  Slg                                      Rel     Rel
    Rank Rank Rank  Player               PA    Pro+     OBA     Slg
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
      2    1    2   Ted Williams        9786   189.5   134.6   154.9
      1    2    1   Babe Ruth          10504   207.0   134.5   172.5
      4    3    4   Barry Bonds        10963   180.0   131.6   148.4
      7    4   13   Dan Brouthers       7656   170.9   129.4   141.4
      6    5    8   Mickey Mantle       9895   172.1   128.3   143.8
     10    6   24   Pete Browning       5315   163.2   128.0   135.3
     59    7  267   Billy Hamilton      7544   140.0   127.6   112.4
      5    8    5   Rogers Hornsby      9259   174.7   127.4   147.3
     12    9   23   Frank Thomas        8167   162.6   127.3   135.3
      9   10   14   Ty Cobb            12777   168.4   127.0   141.4
      3   11    3   Lou Gehrig          9554   180.4   126.4   154.0
    192   12  582   Roy Thomas          6409   123.6   126.3    97.3
     31   13   74   Edgar Martinez      8113   150.7   125.7   125.1
     52   14  156   Eddie Collins      11525   142.4   124.4   118.1
     28   15   53   Jason Giambi        5460   152.7   123.9   128.8
      8   16    6   Joe Jackson         5559   168.7   123.9   144.8
    140   17  420   Rickey Henderson   13316   128.6   123.4   105.2
     15   18   25   Tris Speaker       11679   157.4   123.0   134.3
    126   19  372   Wade Boggs         10711   130.0   123.0   107.0
     27   20   45   Jeff Bagwell        8626   153.4   122.3   131.0
     24   21   37   Roger Connor        8834   154.9   122.2   132.6
     82   22  246   George Gore         6104   135.0   122.0   113.1
     76   23  208   Gene Tenace         5504   136.3   121.2   115.0
     14   24   19   Stan Musial        12677   158.2   121.1   137.1
     23   25   26   Mel Ott            11228   155.0   120.9   134.1
    232   26  531   Mike Hargrove       6649   121.0   120.8   100.2
    105   27  285   Joe Morgan         11278   132.1   120.5   111.6
     34   28   54   Elmer Flick         6293   149.2   120.5   128.7
     56   29  118   Cap Anson          11292   140.9   120.4   120.5
     60   30  137   Jesse Burkett       9525   139.5   120.3   119.2
     37   31   60   Gary Sheffield      8026   147.5   120.1   127.4
    419   32  705   Eddie Stanky        5332   109.0   120.0    88.9
    143   33  351   Topsy Hartsel       5697   127.9   119.9   108.0
    120   34  300   Rod Carew          10422   131.0   119.9   111.1
     30   35   44   Jim Thome           6420   150.9   119.8   131.0
     19   36   21   Manny Ramirez       5910   156.5   119.8   136.7
    103   37  260   John Olerud         8360   132.3   119.6   112.7
     81   38  194   Arky Vaughan        7605   135.4   119.5   115.9
    107   39  254   Ken Singleton       8529   132.1   119.2   112.9
     11   40    9   Mark McGwire        7657   162.8   119.0   143.8
     26   41   22   Frank Robinson     11726   154.0   118.5   135.5
     29   42   32   Ed Delahanty        8340   151.5   118.1   133.4
     13   43   10   Jimmie Foxx         9599   161.6   117.9   143.7
     99   44  209   Tony Gwynn         10187   132.6   117.8   114.8
     47   45   71   Chipper Jones       6064   143.2   117.8   125.4
    388   46  649   Richie Ashburn      9624   110.9   117.8    93.1
    111   47  226   Jackie Robinson     5698   131.7   117.7   114.0
     32   48   34   Honus Wagner       11518   150.4   117.6   132.9
    167   49  345   Roger Bresnahan     5262   126.0   117.5   108.5
    118   50  229   Ross Youngs         5214   131.3   117.4   113.9
    __________________
    Dave Kent
    Code:
    Relative BA, after 2005:
    
    BA+   Player (thru '05) baseball-reference.com
    Currently active players are high-lighted in RED.
    
    1. 134.8 Cobb      CF
    2. 133.1 JJackson
    3. 130.8 Browning
    5. 128.1 TWilliams LF
    6. 127.8 Dan Brouthers 
    7. 127.7 Gwynn     RF
    8. 127.4 Lajoie    2B
    9. 127.2 Ichiro
    10. 127.0 Carew
    11. 126.2 Hornsby
    12. 125.4 Speaker
    13. 125.3 Pujols
    14. 124.4 Tip O'Neill
    15. 124.4 Keeler
    16. 123.9 Musial    1B
    17. 123.7 Boggs     3B
    18. 123.6 Donlin
    19. 123.1 Wagner    SS
    20. 122.8 Anson
    21. 122.7 Hamilton
    22. 122.6 Delahanty
    23. 121.8 ECollins
    24. 121.6 Burkett
    25. 121.0 Puckett 
    26. 120.7 Clemente
    27. 120.4 Oliva
    28. 120.3 SThompson
    29. 119.4 Heilmann
    30. 119.2 Ruth
    31. 118.9 Sisler
    32. 118.8 Crawford 
    33. 118.5 KKelly
    34. 118.1 Connor
    35. 117.9 MoAlou
    36. 117.8 Piazza   C
    37. 117.8 Medwick
    38. 117.8 PWaner
    39. 117.7 O'Rourke
    40. 117.4 Flick
    41. 117.3 BTerry
    42. 117.2 Gehrig
    43. 117.1 JDiMaggio
    44. 117.0 Beaumont
    45. 116.9 EMartinez
    46. 116.9 Mattingly
    47. 116.7 Garr
    48. 116.4 Mota
    49. 116.3 Brett
    50. 116.3 DMitchell
    51. 116.2 JMcGraw
    52. 116.2 LWalker v
    53. 116.0 Aaron 
    57. 115.6 Rose 
    59. 115.4 Al Simmons
    60. 115.4 Frank Baker 
    
    66. 115.0 Mantle 
    67. 115.0 Johnny Mize
    71. 114.9 Wheat 
    82. 114.3 Mays 
    75. 114.6 FThomas
    90. 113.8 Foxx 
    92. 113.8 Roush 
    99. 113.4 Frank Robinson

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    • #3
      My Slate of Candidates for 32nd Greatest Hitter:

      1. Tony Gwynn
      2. Sam Crawford
      3. Cap Anson
      4. Harry Heilmann
      5. George Brett

      Honorable Mentions:

      Rickey Henderson
      Eddie Mathews
      Willie McCovey
      Dick Allen
      Harmon Killebrew
      Mark McGwire

      Might I persuade any of you guys to consider voting in our other polls?

      71th Greatest Player

      37th Greatest Pitcher

      Wagner/Mays?

      I would consider it a great favor if you did.

      Comment


      • #4
        Harry Heilmann
        Eddie Matthews
        George Brett
        Dick Allen
        Edgar Martinez

        Roger Connor
        Sam Crawford
        Wade Boggs
        Tony Gwynn
        Willie McCovey

        Killebrew should be placed shortly
        Pete Browning is probably my next 19th century player

        Comment


        • #5
          Probably not "correct" of me to do so, but I'll say now that Tony Gwynn is not on the horizon for me. But, Bill knows that!

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by BigRon View Post
            Probably not "correct" of me to do so, but I'll say now that Tony Gwynn is not on the horizon for me. But, Bill knows that!
            It's honest difference of opinion that makes the world go round, and keeps us talking. Variety is the spice of life.

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Bill Burgess View Post
              It's honest difference of opinion that makes the world go round, and keeps us talking. Variety is the spice of life.
              You're absolutely right, Bill- it's a big part of the fun. Back to baseball- what, in your mind, separates Gwynn from Clemente, Boggs, Carew, and Paul Waner- to mention four- who seem to have basically the same batting credentials as Gwynn? None of whom, by the way, are in your next 10?
              Last edited by BigRon; 09-26-2012, 03:43 PM.

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by BigRon View Post
                You're absolutely right, Bill- it's a big part of the fun. Back to baseball- what, in your mind, separates Gwynn from Clemente, Boggs, Carew, and Paul Waner- to mention four- who seem to have basically the same batting credentials as Gwynn? None of whom, by the way, are in your next 10?
                ----------------OPS+
                Gwynn---------132
                Clemente-------130
                Boggs----------131
                Carew----------131
                Waner----------134

                This profile of hitter had little power. Only Clemente had mid-range pop. We could have added to this list Pete Rose.

                Have I been clear?

                Comment


                • #9
                  George Brett
                  Chipper Jones
                  Dick Allen
                  Gary Sheffield
                  Edgar Martinez

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bill Burgess View Post
                    ----------------OPS+
                    Gwynn---------132
                    Clemente-------130
                    Boggs----------131
                    Carew----------131
                    Waner----------134

                    This profile of hitter had little power. Only Clemente had mid-range pop. We could have added to this list Pete Rose.

                    Have I been clear?
                    Actually, you haven't been clear. That chart helps make my point, though we both know using only OPS+ is silly. But, in many ways, all of thse guys are very similar in ability to make contact, and in what kind of hits they generated, taking some era issues into consideration. What makes Gwynn stand out for you compared to the others?

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BigRon View Post
                      Actually, you haven't been clear. That chart helps make my point, though we both know using only OPS+ is silly. But, in many ways, all of thse guys are very similar in ability to make contact, and in what kind of hits they generated, taking some era issues into consideration. What makes Gwynn stand out for you compared to the others?
                      I was just kidding! I did the OPS+ hoping to find something to support my support of Gwynn. It was funny how close they all were. I guess I have no outstanding reason why I list Gwynn over the others.

                      But if they are all so close, I needed to start somewhere. I suppose I should put Clemente on my upcoming list. I'll see what I can do. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I'm calling it. Tony Gwynn is our winner.

                        Code:
                        FirstName	LastName	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
                        Tony		Gwynn		2	1	2	5	0	30
                        George		Brett		1	0	3	4	6	28
                        Harry		Heilmann	3	1	1	1	0	24
                        Rickey		Henderson	1	3	0	0	0	17
                        Eddie		Mathews		1	1	2	1	0	17
                        Wade		Boggs		0	2	1	2	2	17
                        Cap		Anson		1	0	2	1	1	14
                        Edgar		Martinez	1	0	1	0	6	14
                        Jim		Thome		1	1	0	1	1	12
                        Dick		Allen		0	1	1	2	1	12
                        Mark		McGwire		0	1	2	1	0	12
                        Sam		Crawford	0	2	0	0	2	10
                        Ken		Griffey Jr.	0	1	1	1	1	10
                        Chipper		Jones		0	1	1	0	1	8
                        Pete		Rose		0	1	1	0	0	7
                        Gary		Sheffield	0	0	0	3	1	7
                        Vladimir	Guerrero	1	0	0	0	0	5
                        Joe		Morgan		0	1	0	0	0	4
                        Reggie		Jackson		0	0	0	1	1	3
                        Harmon		Killebrew	0	0	1	0	0	3
                        Al		Simmons		0	0	0	0	3	3
                        Billy		Hamilton	0	0	0	1	0	2
                        Roger		Connor		0	0	0	0	1	1
                        Pop		Lloyd		0	0	0	0	1	1
                        Ichiro		Suzuki		0	0	0	0	1	1
                        Sam		Thompson	0	0	0	0	1	1
                        Larry		Walker		0	0	0	0	1	1
                        Carl		Yastrzemski	0	0	0	0	1	1
                        "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

                        - Alvin Dark

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