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  • Who is the Averagest Player of All Time?

    When we talk about "the average player," who do we have in mind?

    I looked at Baseball Ref's daily updated totals from 1876 to the present, and I reduced them to a 500-at-bat season. Then I looked for a player with similar rate stats, and I found Ed Charles and put him in a comparable seasonal notation:
    Code:
    Player 	OPS+ 	OBP 	BA 	SLG 	PA 	G 	AB 	R 	H 	2B 	3B 	HR 	RBI 	BB 	SO 	HBP 	E	GDP 	SB 	OPS 
    Norm	100	.329	.262	.386	550	144	500	66	131	22	5	10	66	46	70	4	18	13	10	.715
    Charles 103	.330	.263	.397	558	144	497	63	131	21	4	12	60	47	75	4	17	13	12	.727
    It's pretty uncanny how the counting stats turned out, since I only looked for comparable rate stats. It's also uncanny (or not) that defensively Charles played 3rd base, the middle of the defensive spectrum, with time on both the higher (ss, 2b) and lower (1b, OF) edges, making an average amount of errors. He played for 8 years, amounting to 7 full ones.

    He did break in at age 29, though, which of course is not typical,

    Our image of an average player, though, might not be someone at the arithmetic mean. There are pitchers, for one, to drag the average down, and all the below average players who hardly register because they aren't good enough to play much. So the mean player may appear below average, even though he's well above the median.

    On the other hand, Ed seems to do everything at about the same level, nothing outstanding, nothing shameful, good enough to play on a world champion team or to be the best player on a cellar dweller. I find it an appealing record; he gives journeymen a good name.

    What do you think? Who's your poster boy for mediocrity, and why?
    Indeed the first step toward finding out is to acknowledge you do not satisfactorily know already; so that no blight can so surely arrest all intellectual growth as the blight of cocksureness.--CS Peirce

  • #2
    The "Replacement Player" in WAR, whoever he is.
    They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.

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    • #3
      Average players:
      Code:
      Rk          Player WAR/pos OPS+ Rfield    G From   To
      1       Odell Hale    14.2  101      0 1062 1931 1941
      2        Tom Brown    13.3  100      0 1788 1882 1898
      3    Melky Cabrera    12.8  101      1  984 2005 2012
      4     Hank Blalock    11.4  101      1  936 2002 2010
      5      Ron Swoboda     7.1  101      1  928 1965 1973
      6    George Browne     5.9  100     -1 1102 1901 1912
      Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

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      • #4
        Averagest.

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        • #5
          Maianno Rivera .267/.300/.388
          This week's Giant

          #5 in games played as a Giant with 1721 , Bill Terry

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ol' aches and pains View Post
            The "Replacement Player" in WAR, whoever he is.
            Wouldn't we want to look at WAA, not WAR? I guess 0 Wins Above Average?

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            • #7
              Tommy Clarke
              Scott Hatteberg
              Randy Bush
              Joe Kuhel
              Jim Spencer
              Last edited by dgarza; 10-01-2012, 07:59 AM.

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              • #8
                a possible Most Average Pitcher?

                Red Barrett: 11 seasons, 253 G, 312 BB, 333 K, W 69 L 69

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                  Wouldn't we want to look at WAA, not WAR? I guess 0 Wins Above Average?
                  If you say so.
                  They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.

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                  • #10
                    The average MLBer plays for 5.6 years, so shouldn't any candidate for the most-average player have a 5 or 6 year career?

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                    • #11
                      I would like to suggest Jeff Baker, recently of the Cubs, as the most average player currently. He owns a career .267/.317/.430 with a career OPS+ of 93 and was worth 0.2 WAR for his entire major league career to date. He also plays multiple positions and has played on several teams. His name alone - Jeff Baker - is pretty dull.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Blue387 View Post
                        I would like to suggest Jeff Baker, recently of the Cubs, as the most average player currently. He owns a career .267/.317/.430 with a career OPS+ of 93 and was worth 0.2 WAR for his entire major league career to date. He also plays multiple positions and has played on several teams. His name alone - Jeff Baker - is pretty dull.

                        He sure looks the part.
                        Indeed the first step toward finding out is to acknowledge you do not satisfactorily know already; so that no blight can so surely arrest all intellectual growth as the blight of cocksureness.--CS Peirce

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jackaroo Dave View Post
                          He sure looks the part.
                          Nothing wrong with that mug that a Rollie Fingers handlebar mustache couldn't fix.
                          They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.

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                          • #14
                            He also needs to have a common last name. Like a Williams or Johnson.
                            "I am not too serious about anything. I believe you have to enjoy yourself to get the most out of your ability."-
                            George Brett

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by yankillaz View Post
                              He also needs to have a common last name. Like a Williams or Johnson.
                              I was just thinking that!

                              How about this one!
                              http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...d=johnso004nor
                              Last edited by dgarza; 10-02-2012, 10:27 AM.

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