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  • Al Oliver vs Carlos Delgado

    I'm going to run a series of polls with the winner advancing each time to face another opponent. Will leave each poll up for a week. I'll try to provide as much statistical information as possible. Hopefully we can get some lively insightful debates going and bring to light some overlooked players from yesteryear.
    If you could pick between these two players to start your franchise with which would you pick? Please consider all relavent information. Their careers as a whole, peak performance, hitting, fielding, baserunning, positional value, league quality, etc.

    Al Oliver

    2368 games
    9778 plate appearances
    9049 at-bats
    1189 runs
    2743 hits
    529 doubles
    77 triples
    219 home runs
    1326 RBI
    84 stolen bases
    64 caught stealing
    535 walks
    756 strikeouts
    .303 AVG
    .344 OBP
    .451 SLG
    .795 OPS
    121 OPS+
    4083 total bases
    1347 runs created
    5.4 RC/G
    95 AIR
    .600 OW%
    .713 Total Average
    .209 Secondary Average
    303.7 Win Shares
    123.2 WSAB
    40.2 rWAR
    50.2 fWAR
    40.2 sWAR

    Carlos Delgado

    2035 games
    8657 plate appearances
    7283 at-bats
    1241 runs
    2038 hits
    483 doubles
    18 triples
    473 home runs
    1512 RBI
    14 stolen bases
    8 caught stealing
    1109 walks
    1745 strikeouts
    .280 AVG
    .383 OBP
    .546 SLG
    .929 OPS
    138 OPS+
    3976 total bases
    1588 runs created
    7.7 RC/G
    110 AIR
    .678 OW%
    .974 Total Average
    .419 Secondary Average
    303.8 Win Shares
    161.2 WSAB
    40.5 rWAR
    46.3 fWAR
    47.7 sWAR

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    16
    Al Oliver
    12.50%
    2
    Carlos Delgado
    87.50%
    14

    The poll is expired.

    My dream ballpark dimensions
    LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
    RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
    Location....San Diego

  • #2
    Al Oliver was better than I remembered, or maybe because Oliver is an unfavorite when it comes to HOF conversations he is diminished. That being said it would take a lot of contortions to say he was better than Delgado. Had he played CF longer, played defense at a + level, been faster maybe I could see it but tired as I am of Delgado (how the f' was he voted better than Dave Parker?? I still don't get that) I can't vote Oliver.

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    • #3
      Begrudgingly, I have to give it to Delgado
      “There can be no higher law in journalism than to tell the truth and to shame the devil.” Walter Lippmann

      "Fill in any figure you want for that boy (Mantle). Whatever the figure, it's a deal." - Branch Rickey

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      • #4
        I have Delgado by a big margin.

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        • #5
          Delgado. Oliver was really good and it'd be interesting to see him in a Selig-era runs context.

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          • #6
            Here are their neautralized 162 game averages

            Oliver...Delgado

            G 162...162
            PA 683...678
            AB 631...573
            R 89...93
            H 199...156
            2B 38...37
            3B 5...1
            HR 16...36
            RBI 99...113
            SB 6...1
            BB 39...85
            SO 52...139
            AVG .315....272
            OBP .356....374
            SLG .456....530
            OPS .822....905
            RC 105...112
            My dream ballpark dimensions
            LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
            RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
            Location....San Diego

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            • #7
              What's the general impression of Oliver's d in CF/LF ? I remember him playing for the Pirates and Rangers but its his hitting that made the impression.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TomBodet View Post
                What's the general impression of Oliver's d in CF/LF ? I remember him playing for the Pirates and Rangers but its his hitting that made the impression.
                I remember his being called both good and average in center. (I don't think I've ever heard of a "bad" center fielder.) His numbers look a lot better in the corners. If I had to guess, I'd say he earned his fielding reputation with his bat. Fangraphs gives him about a 70 run defensive edge over Delgado all told.
                Last edited by Jackaroo Dave; 10-09-2012, 04:55 PM.
                Indeed the first step toward finding out is to acknowledge you do not satisfactorily know already; so that no blight can so surely arrest all intellectual growth as the blight of cocksureness.--CS Peirce

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                • #9
                  I went with Delgado. Some really interesting matchups lately.

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