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Heinie Manush vs. Rob Deer. Discuss.
Folks you may have the floor.
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Points for Manush:
Higher OPS+ (by 12 points)
More All-Star games (1 to 0. It should also be noted that Manush had been playing for 10 years before there was even such a thing as an All-Star Game)
Top Ten in WAR 3 times to 0
Top Ten in BA more often (9 to 0)
Top Ten in OBP more often (3 to 0)
Top Ten in Slugging more often (5 to 2)
Top Ten in Runs Created more often (6 to 0)
Top Ten in OW% more often (4 to 0)
HUGE WAR Difference (41.5 to 11.8)
More seasons of 2+ WAR Score (9 to 2)
Better BA vs. league (41 points to -42 points.)
I see NO case for Deer here.Last edited by 1905 Giants; 10-08-2012, 06:58 PM."The first draft of anything is crap." - Ernest Hemingway
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Yeah I would say theres not even a case for Rob Deer. Manush is a hofer too. Rob Deer is no where close to being a hofer.Last edited by chicagowhitesox1173; 10-08-2012, 06:55 PM."(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack
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The only reason that you're bringing this up is asking us to compare extremes. You're giving us a guy who hits but doesn't walk (Manush) against a guy who walks but doesn't hit (Deer). The guy that hits to this degree will beat the walker every time. That's why people hate Adam Dunn.
Manush, hands down.
46 wins to match last year's total Comment
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This debate idea would be much more intriguing and controversial if sabermetrics and traditional opinion didn't both have Manush miles and miles ahead.1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011
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Got the idea by watching Mark Reynolds....Comment
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Right; he's the new Rob Deer.Originally posted by TomBodet View Post
Even so, the advantages are very, very obvious for Manush. We don't fault you for trying, but there is nothing to discuss here. 46 wins to match last year's total Comment
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Had Deer been able to hit .250, I'd give it to him. However, his .220 career avg tips this heavily towards Manush. Manush. Manush took away the triple crown from Ruth during the last few games. As late as 9/21/1926, Ruth had the HRs and RBI wrapped up by a mile, but was also leading Manush in AVG .371 to .370. However, Manush had 9 hits in his last 14 at bats to take the batting title from Ruth(.378 to .372).Comment
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Id like to hear you defend thisOriginally posted by pheasant View Post"The first draft of anything is crap." - Ernest Hemingway
There's no such thing as an ultimate stat.Comment
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Plus Deer didn't walk all that often (career high of 89), and usually finished the season with 100 more strikeouts than walks.
Whereas Manush didn't walk much, but struck out even less (except for his sophomore season when he had 27 BB & 30 K).Comment
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