Greatest "old" player and pitcher ever (not including juicers)

[fenrir]

Leaving off those involved in the steroid scandal (Bonds, Mac, Clemens, etc), my choice for the best "old" position player ever is probably Honus Wagner. For pitchers, it's undoubtedly Randy Johnson.

[dgarza]

Solid choices.

Cap Anson, Luke Appling, Ted Williams, Carlton Fisk, Eddie Collins, Phil Niekro, Jack Quinn, Cy Young, Hoyt Wilhelm are equals as well.

[dominik]

williams and ruth were very good as old players. Hank aaron too

[Jackaroo Dave]

Darrell Evans, Eddie Collins, Bob Boone, Gavvy Cravath

[Jackaroo Dave]

Warren Spahn, Dazzy Vance, Ted Lyons, Cy Young, Nolan Ryan

[rsuriyop]

Satchel Paige is my choice amongst pitchers.

[ol' aches and pains]

R.A. Dickey is making a bid to join this conversation.

[GiambiJuice]

I have my suspicions about Randy.

[westsidegrounds]

Lyons, Paige, Spahn, Vance, Walter Johnson

Aaron, Anson, Maranville, Minoso, Mize, Wagner

[GiambiJuice]

Here's a great "old" hitter who's a bit under the radar:

He hit .321 at age 38, .301 at age 39, .341 at age 40, and .347 at age 41.

Any guesses?

[dgarza]

Mike Morgan
1998-2002
38-42
MIN,CHC,TEX,ARI
31 PA
28 AB
.464/.483/.500
149 OPS+

[philliesfiend55]

I'd have to single out Phil Niekro and Jamie Moyer as very close runner-ups to Randy Johnson.
I also forgot Warren Spahn and how can you leave him out of the discussion. He had 20 win seasons in 1956 through 1961 and 1963 at ages 35 through 40 and 42.

[PVNICK]

Here's a great "old" hitter who's a bit under the radar:

He hit .321 at age 38, .301 at age 39, .341 at age 40, and .347 at age 41.

Any guesses?

if you allow two: Paul Molitor, Sam Rice

[GiambiJuice]

if you allow two: Paul Molitor, Sam Rice

Both are incorrect. If it helps, when he hit .347 at age 41 it was only over 15 games. He played 323 games over those final four seasons, and was with the Mets for the final two, finishing in 2008. His rates for those 323 games from age 38-41 were .322/.383/.530

[dgarza]

Both are incorrect. If it helps, when he hit .347 at age 41 it was only over 15 games. He played 323 games over those final four seasons, and was with the Mets for the final two, finishing in 2008. His rates for those 323 games from age 38-41 were .322/.383/.530

Mays was going to be a player I listed earlier, but just didn't. Sounds like it might be the Say Hey, um, can we still call him "Kid"?

Actually, you said 2008, so OBVIOUSLY it's not Mays. But Mays also aged well enough.