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John Titus vs. Elmer Valo

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  • John Titus vs. Elmer Valo

    We're playing the "who is better than his most similar comp" game.

    My starting point was Tommy Dowd, the guy with the lowest WAR among all batters with at least 5,000 plate appearances. I hope to work my way up to *somebody* vs. Babe Ruth. That'd be cool.

    Which of these players would you like to build your franchise around?


    1402 G
    5818 PA
    4960 AB
    738 R
    1401 H
    253 2B
    72 3B
    38 HR
    561 RBI
    140 SB
    >=7 CS
    620 BB
    386 K
    .282 BA
    .373 OBP
    .385 SLG
    .758 OPS
    127 OPS+
    1912 TB
    94 HBP
    144 SF
    27.9 WAR


    1806 G
    6901 PA
    5029 AB
    768 R
    1420 H
    228 2B
    73 3B
    58 HR
    601 RBI
    110 SB
    79 CS
    942 BB
    284 K
    .282 BA
    .398 OBP
    .391 SLG
    .790 OPS
    115 OPS+
    1968 TB
    111 GDP
    38 HBP
    65 SH
    >=17 SH
    >=12 IBB
    25.8 WAR

    If Titus wins, he will face his second-most similar comp's ninth-most similar comp. If Valo wins, he will face his third-most similar comp.

    Past face-offs (winner in bold):

    Tommy Dowd vs. Ned Hanlon (as a player)
    Ned Hanlon (as a player) vs. Joe Hornung
    Ned Hanlon (as a player) vs. Curt Welch
    Curt Welch vs. Blondie Purcell
    Curt Welch vs. Bob Bescher
    Curt Welch vs. George Pinkney
    Curt Welch vs. Joe Hornung
    Curt Welch vs. Rube Oldring
    Curt Welch vs. Solly Hofman
    Curt Welch vs. Tom York
    Curt Welch vs. George Case
    Curt Welch vs. Tommy Dowd
    Curt Welch vs. Charlie Hemphill
    Curt Welch vs. George Browne
    Curt Welch vs. Jack McCarthy
    Curt Welch vs. Shad Barry
    Curt Welch vs. Patsy Dougherty
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Carson Bigbee
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Jack Smith
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Johnny Bates - tie
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Johnny Bates vs. Cliff Heathcote vs. Mike Mitchell
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Lou Finney
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Whitey Witt
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Ducky Holmes
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Matty McIntyre
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Gene Richards
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Tom Goodwin
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Peanuts Lowrey
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Patsy Tebeau
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Billy Hatcher
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Red Murray
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Hi Myers
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Mike Kreevich
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Luis Polonia
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Darryl Hamilton
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Max Flack
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Al Bumbry
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Ron LeFlore
    Ron LeFlore vs. Mookie Wilson
    Ron LeFlore vs. Dan Gladden
    Ron LeFlore vs. Doug Glanville
    Ron LeFlore vs. Taylor Douthit
    Ron LeFlore vs. Terry Puhl
    Terry Puhl vs. Jerry Mumphrey
    Terry Puhl vs. Les Mann
    Terry Puhl vs. John Titus
    John Titus vs. Amos Strunk
    John Titus vs. Tommy Griffith
    John Titus
    Elmer Valo

    The poll is expired.

  • #2
    Ooh, this is a tough one for me. Elmer Valo is one of my favorite players. But despite his .360 season, he was a great pinch hitter and reserve, while Titus was a really good full-timer.
    Indeed the first step toward finding out is to acknowledge you do not satisfactorily know already; so that no blight can so surely arrest all intellectual growth as the blight of cocksureness.--CS Peirce


    • #3
      Really tough call on this one.
      "The first draft of anything is crap." - Ernest Hemingway

      There's no such thing as an ultimate stat.


      • #4
        I went with Elmer Valo, especially if the Valo I'd be getting is the 1946 to 1952 version. The guy walked a ton, rarely struck out, had some speed and could hit for average. Titus could as well, but it's Valo's superhuman walking ability that puts him on top.


        • #5
          Valo is right up there among the "most competitive players ever". Member Emeritus of the "I Laugh at Outfield Walls" Club. If he hadn't come off second best in a meeting with the wall in Cleveland early in the 1953 season, that streak that started in 1946 would probably have lasted several years longer. As late as 1960, aged 39 and a full time pinch hitter, he posted a team-best .424 OBP (in 85 PA) for Washington.


          • #6
            Valo barely edged Titus, four votes to three. That has to be one of the closest matchups we've had to date.


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