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  • Elmer Valo vs. Stan Javier

    We're playing the "who is better than his most similar comp" game.

    My starting point was Tommy Dowd, the guy with the lowest WAR among all batters with at least 5,000 plate appearances. I hope to work my way up to *somebody* vs. Babe Ruth. That'd be cool.

    Which of these players would you like to build your franchise around?

    Valo:

    1806 G
    6901 PA
    5029 AB
    768 R
    1420 H
    228 2B
    73 3B
    58 HR
    601 RBI
    110 SB
    79 CS
    942 BB
    284 K
    .282 BA
    .398 OBP
    .391 SLG
    .790 OPS
    115 OPS+
    1968 TB
    111 GDP
    38 HBP
    65 SH
    >=17 SH
    >=12 IBB
    25.8 WAR

    Javier:

    1763 G
    5755 PA
    5047 AB
    781 R
    1358 H
    225 2B
    40 3B
    57 HR
    503 RBI
    246 SB
    51 CS
    578 BB
    839 K
    .269 BA
    .345 OBP
    .363 SLG
    .708 OPS
    93 OPS+
    1834 TB
    102 GDP
    25 HBP
    67 SH
    38 SF
    26 IBB
    22.9 WAR

    If Valo wins, he will face his fifth-most similar comp. If Javier wins, he will face his third-most similar comp.

    Past face-offs (winner in bold):

    Tommy Dowd vs. Ned Hanlon (as a player)
    Ned Hanlon (as a player) vs. Joe Hornung
    Ned Hanlon (as a player) vs. Curt Welch
    Curt Welch vs. Blondie Purcell
    Curt Welch vs. Bob Bescher
    Curt Welch vs. George Pinkney
    Curt Welch vs. Joe Hornung
    Curt Welch vs. Rube Oldring
    Curt Welch vs. Solly Hofman
    Curt Welch vs. Tom York
    Curt Welch vs. George Case
    Curt Welch vs. Tommy Dowd
    Curt Welch vs. Charlie Hemphill
    Curt Welch vs. George Browne
    Curt Welch vs. Jack McCarthy
    Curt Welch vs. Shad Barry
    Curt Welch vs. Patsy Dougherty
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Carson Bigbee
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Jack Smith
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Johnny Bates - tie
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Johnny Bates vs. Cliff Heathcote vs. Mike Mitchell
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Lou Finney
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Whitey Witt
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Ducky Holmes
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Matty McIntyre
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Gene Richards
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Tom Goodwin
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Peanuts Lowrey
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Patsy Tebeau
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Billy Hatcher
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Red Murray
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Hi Myers
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Mike Kreevich
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Luis Polonia
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Darryl Hamilton
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Max Flack
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Al Bumbry
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Ron LeFlore
    Ron LeFlore vs. Mookie Wilson
    Ron LeFlore vs. Dan Gladden
    Ron LeFlore vs. Doug Glanville
    Ron LeFlore vs. Taylor Douthit
    Ron LeFlore vs. Terry Puhl
    Terry Puhl vs. Jerry Mumphrey
    Terry Puhl vs. Les Mann
    Terry Puhl vs. John Titus
    John Titus vs. Amos Strunk
    John Titus vs. Tommy Griffith
    John Titus vs. Elmer Valo
    9
    Elmer Valo
    66.67%
    6
    Stan Javier
    33.33%
    3

    The poll is expired.


  • #2
    I would say Valo wins this easily.
    "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

    "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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    • #3
      Picked Valo, although I was surprised how good a base-thief Javier was.
      “There can be no higher law in journalism than to tell the truth and to shame the devil.” Walter Lippmann

      "Fill in any figure you want for that boy (Mantle). Whatever the figure, it's a deal." - Branch Rickey

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      • #4
        I picked Valo - he was a legitimate starting player for much of his career. Javier, on the other hand, was mostly a utility-quality ballplayer.

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        • #5
          One thing which is surprising to me is how close they both are with Career WAR.
          "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

          "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by chicagowhitesox1173 View Post
            One thing which is surprising to me is how close they both are with Career WAR.
            Javier picked up 51 base-running runs and 35 fielding runs: 50- -1, 37-2
            Indeed the first step toward finding out is to acknowledge you do not satisfactorily know already; so that no blight can so surely arrest all intellectual growth as the blight of cocksureness.--CS Peirce

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            • #7
              Javier hit the first ever regular serason interleague HR.
              This week's Giant

              #5 in games played as a Giant with 1721 , Bill Terry

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