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**Ben Grimm** · 11-05-2012, 02:10 PM

Delgado's a tough call IMO, because I'll always have that "wonder" spot as to how he'd do as a catcher - which he was drafted. The Jays were smart also IMO ot move him out and let him play every day. On a 1-10 scale as a 1B i'd give him a 7-8. BUT if he maintained his original position, he'd likely be a 9. Then again he could have outgrown the position or gotten injured - which we'll never know.

**Sockeye** · 11-05-2012, 04:04 PM

It's interesting I keep hearing that Delgado is a borderline HOF case but yet he has been chosen rather easily over Jim Bottomley, Hugh Duffy, and Chuck Klein. All of which are lower tier HOFers, but yet I never really hear them mentioned as HOF mistakes either. I'd think either Delgado is ahead of those three and has a solid HOF case or Delgado is borderline which makes those three HOF mistakes?

**willshad** · 11-05-2012, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by Ben Grimm View Post

Delgado's a tough call IMO, because I'll always have that "wonder" spot as to how he'd do as a catcher - which he was drafted. The Jays were smart also IMO ot move him out and let him play every day. On a 1-10 scale as a 1B i'd give him a 7-8. BUT if he maintained his original position, he'd likely be a 9. Then again he could have outgrown the position or gotten injured - which we'll never know.

If he had remained a catcher, he would not have likely not had anywhere near the same numbers, or longevity.

**willshad** · 11-05-2012, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Sockeye View Post

It's interesting I keep hearing that Delgado is a borderline HOF case but yet he has been chosen rather easily over Jim Bottomley, Hugh Duffy, and Chuck Klein. All of which are lower tier HOFers, but yet I never really hear them mentioned as HOF mistakes either. I'd think either Delgado is ahead of those three and has a solid HOF case or Delgado is borderline which makes those three HOF mistakes?

I'd wager to guess that most people on this board would say Bottomley, and especially Klein, are HOF mistakes.

**pheasant** · 11-05-2012, 04:29 PM

I have Delgato by a decent margin over Manush. I fall into the camp that Klein and Bottomly are mistakes for the Hall.

**Jackaroo Dave** · 11-05-2012, 04:36 PM

Don't we already have Delgado > Oliver & Oliver = Manush?

**Joltin' Joe** · 11-05-2012, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by Sockeye View Post

It's interesting I keep hearing that Delgado is a borderline HOF case but yet he has been chosen rather easily over Jim Bottomley, Hugh Duffy, and Chuck Klein. All of which are lower tier HOFers, but yet I never really hear them mentioned as HOF mistakes either. I'd think either Delgado is ahead of those three and has a solid HOF case or Delgado is borderline which makes those three HOF mistakes?

It's a joke that Chuck Klein is even in the HOF. He is probably the biggest fraud ever.

The biggest joke is that a park with the dimension of the Baker Bowl was even built and used by the MLB for so long.

**TomBodet** · 11-05-2012, 05:26 PM

Mr Manush is a fave, but gotta go with Delgado here. A masher.

Klein-well was he Larry Walker or Bichette? Walker-Hof no matter where he hit, Bichette just a good hitter. Klein is Ok to me, but its a close call.

Bottomley is at least reasonable, had areal good 9 yr run in his younger years to make his case. He isn't a great pick.

**Jackaroo Dave** · 11-05-2012, 08:44 PM

Sockeye, I'm guessing rWAR is Baseball-Reference, and fWAR is Fangraphs, but what is sWAR? I notice it's more often the source of a disparity than the other two. Some league quality factor?

(I googled it with no result, although I did get a hit on the delightfully entitled site, "Leonard Koppett Memorial Hall of Bad HOF Voters.")

**pheasant** · 11-06-2012, 05:23 AM

Delgado>Manush>Bottomly>Klein

**pheasant** · 11-06-2012, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by Joltin' Joe View Post

It's a joke that Chuck Klein is even in the HOF. He is probably the biggest fraud ever.

The biggest joke is that a park with the dimension of the Baker Bowl was even built and used by the MLB for so long.

Agreed. Klein's road stats are rather pedestrian for the highest scoring era ever: .286/.346/.466. Those stats aren't that much above the league average for that era.

**Sockeye** · 11-06-2012, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by Jackaroo Dave View Post

Sockeye, I'm guessing rWAR is Baseball-Reference, and fWAR is Fangraphs, but what is sWAR? I notice it's more often the source of a disparity than the other two. Some league quality factor?

(I googled it with no result, although I did get a hit on the delightfully entitled site, "Leonard Koppett Memorial Hall of Bad HOF Voters.")

It comes from seamheads.com as does the win shares and win shares above bench.

**Jackaroo Dave** · 11-06-2012, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by Sockeye View Post

It comes from seamheads.com as does the win shares and win shares above bench.

Thank you, Sockeye.

**Sockeye** · 11-07-2012, 05:51 AM

Originally posted by Jackaroo Dave View Post

Thank you, Sockeye.

My pleasure Dave

Heinie Manush	18.18%	2 votes
Carlos Delgado	81.82%	9 votes

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