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Elmer Valo vs. Tony Gonzalez

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  • Elmer Valo vs. Tony Gonzalez

    We're playing the "who is better than his most similar comp" game.

    My starting point was Tommy Dowd, the guy with the lowest WAR among all batters with at least 5,000 plate appearances. I hope to work my way up to *somebody* vs. Babe Ruth. That'd be cool.

    Which of these players would you like to build your franchise around?

    Valo:

    1806 G
    6901 PA
    5029 AB
    768 R
    1420 H
    228 2B
    73 3B
    58 HR
    601 RBI
    110 SB
    79 CS
    942 BB
    284 K
    .282 BA
    .398 OBP
    .391 SLG
    .790 OPS
    115 OPS+
    1968 TB
    111 GDP
    38 HBP
    65 SH
    >=17 SH
    >=12 IBB
    25.8 WAR

    Gonzalez:

    1559 G
    5795 PA
    5195 AB
    690 R
    1485 H
    238 2B
    57 3B
    103 HR
    615 RBI
    79 SB
    61 CS
    467 BB
    706 K
    .286 BA
    .350 OBP
    .413 SLG
    .764 OPS
    114 OPS+
    2146 TB
    124 GDP
    71 HBP
    20 SH
    37 SF
    63 IBB
    24.5 WAR

    If Valo wins, he will face his second-most similar comp's second-most similar comp. If Gonzalez wins, he will face his second-most similar comp.

    Past face-offs (winner in bold):

    Tommy Dowd vs. Ned Hanlon (as a player)
    Ned Hanlon (as a player) vs. Joe Hornung
    Ned Hanlon (as a player) vs. Curt Welch
    Curt Welch vs. Blondie Purcell
    Curt Welch vs. Bob Bescher
    Curt Welch vs. George Pinkney
    Curt Welch vs. Joe Hornung
    Curt Welch vs. Rube Oldring
    Curt Welch vs. Solly Hofman
    Curt Welch vs. Tom York
    Curt Welch vs. George Case
    Curt Welch vs. Tommy Dowd
    Curt Welch vs. Charlie Hemphill
    Curt Welch vs. George Browne
    Curt Welch vs. Jack McCarthy
    Curt Welch vs. Shad Barry
    Curt Welch vs. Patsy Dougherty
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Carson Bigbee
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Jack Smith
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Johnny Bates - tie
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Johnny Bates vs. Cliff Heathcote vs. Mike Mitchell
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Lou Finney
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Whitey Witt
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Ducky Holmes
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Matty McIntyre
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Gene Richards
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Tom Goodwin
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Peanuts Lowrey
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Patsy Tebeau
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Billy Hatcher
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Red Murray
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Hi Myers
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Mike Kreevich
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Luis Polonia
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Darryl Hamilton
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Max Flack
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Al Bumbry
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Ron LeFlore
    Ron LeFlore vs. Mookie Wilson
    Ron LeFlore vs. Dan Gladden
    Ron LeFlore vs. Doug Glanville
    Ron LeFlore vs. Taylor Douthit
    Ron LeFlore vs. Terry Puhl
    Terry Puhl vs. Jerry Mumphrey
    Terry Puhl vs. Les Mann
    Terry Puhl vs. John Titus
    John Titus vs. Amos Strunk
    John Titus vs. Tommy Griffith
    John Titus vs. Elmer Valo
    Elmer Valo vs. Stan Javier
    Elmer Valo vs. Dave Martinez
    7
    Elmer Valo
    28.57%
    2
    Tony Gonzalez
    71.43%
    5

    The poll is expired.


  • #2
    They are close but I will give my vote to Gonzalez who played post-integration. It may seem like a weak argument but they look on paper to be very close so any little thing tips the scale.

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    • #3
      Gonzalez due to league quality.

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      • #4
        I picked Valo, I feel he's more valuable as a hitter off the bench or in tough situations.
        "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

        "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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        • #5
          Both are very close, but with neither having much power, I'd rather take the CFer over the corner outfielder. I chose Gonzalez.
          "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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          • #6
            Originally posted by chicagowhitesox1173 View Post
            I picked Valo, I feel he's more valuable as a hitter off the bench or in tough situations.
            I voted for Valo too, but there's only one vote for him showing up????????????????????????????????????????

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            • #7
              Very Very Close but I went with Gonzalez based on LQ & Position.
              Last edited by 1905 Giants; 11-12-2012, 01:40 PM.
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              • #8
                I think I'm going to go with Gonzalez as well. He was a better player longer--from 1960 to 1969, he posted a 119 OPS+ while never having a season mark below 103 during that stretch. Valo's 1946 to 1952 stretch was slightly better, but he couldn't keep it up as long.

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