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**chicagowhitesox1173** · 11-12-2012, 07:46 AM

I took Delgado, alot more power.

**Ben Grimm** · 11-12-2012, 09:30 AM

Probably would have been many comparisons between Carlos and Piazza had he remained a catcher.

**Honus Wagner Rules** · 11-12-2012, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Ben Grimm View Post

Probably would have been many comparisons between Carlos and Piazza had he remained a catcher.

I wonder if Delgado had stayed at catcher would his hitting been anywhere near what he hit as a first baseman?

**Ben Grimm** · 11-12-2012, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post

I wonder if Delgado had stayed at catcher would his hitting been anywhere near what he hit as a first baseman?

Hard to say, though I'd think not. I think the Jays were very smart moving him out so as to get the best out of him. Lessen the wear'n'tear and keep him available for 160 games a year. Not to mention he played his prime years on turf which of course can take it's toll.

**Honus Wagner Rules** · 11-12-2012, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by Ben Grimm View Post

Hard to say, though I'd think not. I think the Jays were very smart moving him out so as to get the best out of him. Lessen the wear'n'tear and keep him available for 160 games a year. Not to mention he played his prime years on turf which of course can take it's toll.

I was wondering if the Blue Jays moved Delgado from catcher because they thought he couldn't be a major league catcher? Back in the mid 1990's I used to read Baseball America religiously and Delgado was hyped quite a bit. He pounded the ball in the minors. In the minors he never played any other position other than catcher, not even one inning.

**Ben Grimm** · 11-12-2012, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post

I was wondering if the Blue Jays moved Delgado from catcher because they thought he couldn't be a major league catcher? Back in the mid 1990's I used to read Baseball America religiously and Delgado was hyped quite a bit. He pounded the ball in the minors. In the minors he never played any other position other than catcher, not even one inning.

I'd think they would have moved him earlier if they didn't think he could play the position. To have him develop for over 400 games is nuts if there was no intention for him being there. He did tear up his shoulder a bit and they moved him to LF which didn't work. Then he was moved to 1B and stayed there. The bat was there and they knew it. I simply think it was to get him maximum playing time and not risk injury.

**PVNICK** · 11-12-2012, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post

I was wondering if the Blue Jays moved Delgado from catcher because they thought he couldn't be a major league catcher? Back in the mid 1990's I used to read Baseball America religiously and Delgado was hyped quite a bit. He pounded the ball in the minors. In the minors he never played any other position other than catcher, not even one inning.

according to this link, it seemed circumstances as much as anything, an injury here a vacancy in LF there, plus perhaps that he was not Johnny Bench part 2. JockBio: Carlos Delgado Biography (chances are the link fails if my lack of skills holds true to form).

**Ben Grimm** · 11-12-2012, 11:01 AM

Delgado's last qualifying year of being on BB-America's top prospect list...

1994

1. Cliff Floyd, 1b, Expos
2. Chipper Jones, ss, Braves
3. Jeffrey Hammonds, of, Orioles
4. Alex Gonzalez, ss, Blue Jays
5. Carlos Delgado, c, Blue Jays
6. Alex Rodriguez, ss, Mariners
7. Manny Ramirez, of, Indians
8. James Baldwin, rhp, White Sox
9. Rondell White, of, Expos
10. Jose Silva, rhp, Blue Jays
11. Darren Dreifort, rhp, Dodgers
12. Steve Karsay, rhp, Athletics
13. Trot Nixon, of, Red Sox
14. Chan Ho Park, rhp, Dodgers
15. Ryan Klesko, 1b-of, Braves
16. Derek Jeter, ss, Yankees
17. Javy Lopez, c, Braves
18. Brien Taylor, lhp, Yankees
19. Jeff Granger, lhp, Royals
20. Charles Johnson, c, Marlins

It's interesting that he was ranked that much higher than Javy. IIRC, they were teammates on a Winter League team. Dang, I remember when Hammonds broke in with the Orioles. I really thought he was going to be the next great outfielder.

**Honus Wagner Rules** · 11-12-2012, 11:03 AM

In 1993 Delgado was ranked well ahead of Lopez as well.

1. Chipper Jones, ss, Braves
2. Brien Taylor, lhp, Yankees
3. Cliff Floyd, of, Expos
4. Carlos Delgado, c, Blue Jays
5. Tim Salmon, of, Angels
6. Wil Cordero, ss, Expos
7. Todd Van Poppel, rhp, Athletics
8. Jason Bere, rhp, White Sox
9. Allen Watson, lhp, Cardinals
10. Tyrone Hill, lhp, Brewers
11. Kurt Miller, rhp, Rangers
12. Dmitri Young, 3b, Cardinals
13. Manny Ramirez, of, Indians
14. Ray McDavid, of, Padres
15. Rondell White, of, Expos
16. David McCarty, 1b-of, Twins
17. Tavo Alvarez, rhp, Expos
18. Brad Pennington, lhp, Orioles
19. Jeffrey Hammonds, of, Orioles
20. Javy Lopez, c, Braves

On a side note Brien Taylor was recently convicted of selling drugs and sent to prison.

Former No. 1 MLB pick Brien Taylor sentenced to prison for drugs

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-brien-taylor-20121107,0,5094673.story

Former No. 1 MLB pick Brien Taylor sentenced to prison for drugs

**Ben Grimm** · 11-12-2012, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post

In 1993 Delgado was ranked well ahead of Lopez as well.

On a side note Brien Taylor was recently convicted of selling drugs and sent to prison.

Thanks. I didn't go thru the '93 stuff. That B. Taylor stuff is a riot. What a bust of a "can't miss" draft pick.

BTW, here's the liink to what PVNICK was mentioning: Jock Bio - Delgado.

I forgot about the Jays signing old man Parrish. Their catchers combined for an OPS under .600 IIRC that year.

**Ben Grimm** · 11-12-2012, 11:14 AM

IIRC, in the early 90s we had Delgado as a catcher, Sheffield as a shortstop and Jason Giambi/Jim Thome as third basemen. Yikes. That's alot of mashing balls from their original positions - fielding be damned!

**Honus Wagner Rules** · 11-12-2012, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by Ben Grimm View Post

IIRC, in the early 90s we had Delgado as a catcher, Sheffield as a shortstop and Jason Giambi/Jim Thome as third basemen. Yikes. That's alot of mashing balls from their original positions - fielding be damned!

I always wondered why Jim Thome didn't stay at third base? The Indians did acquire Matt Williams before the 1997 which moved Thome over to first base. But was Thome a good enough defensive third baseman to have stayed there if Williams wasn't acquired?

**Steven Gallanter** · 11-12-2012, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post

I always wondered why Jim Thome didn't stay at third base? The Indians did acquire Matt Williams before the 1997 which moved Thome over to first base. But was Thome a good enough defensive third baseman to have stayed there if Williams wasn't acquired?

Jim Thome was allergic to leather!

**Jackaroo Dave** · 11-12-2012, 04:47 PM

I chose Staub. For most of his career he was superior defensively. Unfortunately, we tend to remember him pinch hitting forever and throwing underhand. The power disparity is largely due to playing conditions--110 AIR for Delgado, 92 for Staub. If it comes down to a .678 OWP for 8657 PA vs .620 for 11229 PA, and you throw in the defense, I think it's Staub by a sliver.

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