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    With all the Frank Thomas talk in the Barry Bonds thread I thought I'd start a new big Hurt thread since there is no general thread for him. I plan to do lots of research on the Big Hurt. Frank Thomas is one of my favorite players of all time. I was born in 1968 so I have a special fondness for ballplayers born that year which, of course, includes Thomas. A quick bio focusing on Thomas' early years.

    The fifth of six children born to Frank and Charlie Mae Thomas, Frank Edward Thomas Jr. was admittedly spoiled by his doting parents and older siblings. Growing up in Columbus, Georgia, he was called "Big Baby" and was encouraged to develop his gift for athletics. His parents never pushed him into sports, but they knew that if he was not at home he was playing ball somewhere nearby. As he grew he made little secret of his ambitions to play professional ball—even though his working-class family could hardly imagine such a life. "When I was a kid, probably around 12, I already knew I wanted to be a player," Thomas told the Chicago Tribune. "So I was just telling [my parents] what I wanted, and I followed my dream, and I worked hard enough to get it. A lot of people nowadays won't dedicate themselves like that.... I was a little different."

    Thomas was just nine years old when he convinced his father and the local coaches that he could play football in the Pop Warner league, which catered to 12-year-olds. Sure enough, he easily made one of the teams and won the job of starting tight end. He was equally successful in Little League baseball, where he began seeing the frequent intentional walks that put him on base to this day. His success in sports was put into perspective by a family tragedy. In 1977 his two-year-old sister Pamela died of leukemia. Recalling those days many years later, Thomas told the Chicago Tribune:"It was sad. It affected me. But it's something you don't look back on. The way I've dealt with it is to totally forget about it. As the years went by, it got easier and easier." Thomas has not really forgotten his baby sister, however. For years he has worked closely with The Leukemia Foundation, helping to raise money for research into a cure for the disease.

    Thomas's skills won him a scholarship to The Brookstone School, a private college preparatory institution in his hometown. He stayed only three years, opting to return to the local public school and its more competitive sports teams. There he lost little time in making his mark. As a Columbus High School sophomore he hit cleanup for a baseball team that won a state championship. As a senior he hit .440 for the baseball team, was named an All-State tight end with the football team, and played forward with the basketball team. He wanted desperately to win a contract to play professional baseball, but he was completely overlooked in the 1986 amateur draft. Baseball teams signed some 891 players on that occasion, and Thomas was not among them.

    "I was shocked and sad," Thomas recalled in the Chicago Tribune. "I saw a lot of guys I played against get drafted, and I knew they couldn't do what I could do. But I've had people all my life saying you can't do this, you can't do that. It scars you. No matter how well I've done. People have misunderstood me for some reason. I was always one of the most competitive kids around."

    In the autumn of 1986, Thomas accepted a scholarship to play football at Auburn University. Even so, his love of baseball drew him to the Auburn baseball team, where the coach immediately recognized his potential. "We loved him," Auburn baseball coach Hal Baird told Sports Illustrated. "He was fun to be around—always smiling, always bright-eyed." He was also a deadly hitter, posting a .359 batting average and leading the Tigers in runs batted in as a freshman. During the summer of 1987 he played for the U.S. Pan American Team, earning a spot on the final roster that would compete in the Pan American Games. The Games coincided with the beginning of football practice back at Auburn, so he left the Pan Am team and returned to college—only to be injured twice in early season football games.

    Thomas might have lost his scholarship that year because he could no longer play football. Instead the school continued his funding, and baseball became his sole sport. He was good enough as a sophomore to win consideration for the U.S. National Team—preparing for the 1988 Summer Olympics—but he was cut from the final squad. Stung and misunderstood again, he fought back. By the end of his junior baseball season he had hit 19 home runs, 19 doubles, and had batted .403 with a slugging percentage of .801. With another amateur draft looming, the scouts began to comprehend that the big Georgia native could indeed play baseball.
    Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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    I tried creating a thread on Thomas years ago, but gained very little support.

    Hopefully this thread does better.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by fenrir View Post
      I tried creating a thread on Thomas years ago, but gained very little support.

      Hopefully this thread does better.
      I hope it does! I'm trying to locate some pictures of Thomas wearing an Auburn baseball uniform. So far all i've really found is this tiny picture.

      Frank Thomas Auburn 1.jpeg
      Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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      • #4
        Chicago players don't seem to get alot of support here. Then again theres not any Babe Ruth types out of Chicago either. Frank Thomas could very well be the best Chicago player of alltime.
        "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

        "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by chicagowhitesox1173 View Post
          Chicago players don't seem to get alot of support here. Then again theres not any Babe Ruth types out of Chicago either. Frank Thomas could very well be the best Chicago player of alltime.
          Who else would be in the running? Guys like like Joe Jackson and Carlton Fisk were great players but they didn't spend as much time with the White Sox as Thomas did.
          Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
            Who else would be in the running? Guys like like Joe Jackson and Carlton Fisk were great players but they didn't spend as much time with the White Sox as Thomas did.
            He's deff the best Whitesox player but I would probably rank him higher than Ernie Banks and Cap Anson too
            "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

            "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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            • #7
              SWEET!!

              Was wondering when someone would FINALLY pay him tribute

              FrankThomas.jpg

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                Who else would be in the running? Guys like like Joe Jackson and Carlton Fisk were great players but they didn't spend as much time with the White Sox as Thomas did.
                No Cubbies, only ChiSox?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948
                  Most would agree that Frank Thomas is among the handful of greatest right handed hitters in history, along with Foxx, DiMaggio, Pujols and Hornsby. Interesting to think how his numbers might be different, had he not played in Comiskey, which was spacious (especially down the lines) compared to some other parks. Despite his inside-out swing swing and extreme front foot hitting approach, which was tailored by hitting coach Walt Hreniak, he would he been more terrifying somewhere like Fenway. We could say what-if about many players though, the cards fall how they do.

                  Speaking of him being a righty. We know there is a distinct platoon disadvantage being a right-handed hitter, as most pitchers are righty. Anyone know the percentage? Wonder if any stat people have looked into some sort of formula, to even out the numbers, sorta like an adjustment to level the field. Just a non-stat guy being curious.

                  Some might say there are other players more "deserving" of a thread Honus, and Thomas certainly isn't an overly interesting or outspoken personality...but historically speaking, 50 years from now, I think his career will still be relevant to baseball fans. And being that he played "in our" era, we have information available that isn't for past eras. So that's a plus.

                  If this is going to become "your baby" I would suggest an index in the first post. At least break it up into pages...General Discussion, Hitting, Articles, Pictures, etc. Need to think of future generations as well.

                  I will post some things to help get things rollin' :balloon:
                  Hi Randy!

                  I'm going to try to do a chronological thread for the Big Hurt. I really want to track down info from his early baseball life, perhaps even high school, for sure college, and the minors. I have tons of baseball books from the early 1990's with lots of Frank Thomas stuff. Unfortunately, I'm in a process of moving and all my baseball books are boxed up right now. I probably won't have access to them for at least a week. But as I was cleaning out my old place I found a bunch of stuff I forgot I had. Do you remember back in the mid-1990's there was a magazine called Baseball Weekly? It didn't last too long but there was an issue that had an article about the possibility of created a baseball "dream team" to play in a soccer World Cup style tournament. This was years before the World Baseball Classic was created. Anyway, on the cover there was Frank Thomas and Greg Maddux and a few other stars at the time wearing a fake "Team USA" jersey. Very cool! I'll scan it and post it when I can get to it.

                  I also have this Thomas book that was written for kids probably in the late 1990's. It has lots of good background info and some amazing artwork as well. There is especially one painting in the book that shows the Big Hurt at the plate. I'll post here as well.

                  Here's an example of Baseball Weekly.

                  baseballweekfred.jpg
                  Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 12-05-2012, 09:52 AM.
                  Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                    Hi Randy!

                    I'm going to try to do a chronological thread for the Big Hurt. I really want to track down info from his early baseball life, perhaps even high school, for sure college, and the minors. I have tons of baseball books from the early 1990's with lots of Frank Thomas stuff. Unfortunately, I'm in a process of moving and all my baseball books are boxed up right now. I probably won't have access to them for at least a week. But as I was cleaning out my old place I found a bunch of stuff I forgot I had. Do you remember back in the mid-1990's there was a magazine called Baseball Weekly? It didn't last too long but there was an issue that had an article about the possibility of created a baseball "dream team" to play in a soccer World Cup style tournament. This was years before the World Baseball Classic was created. Anyway, on the cover there was Frank Thomas and Greg Maddux and a few other stars at the time wearing a fake "Team USA" jersey. Very cool! I'll scan it and post it when I can get to it.

                    I also have this Thomas book that was written for kids probably in the late 1990's. It has lots of good background info and some amazing artwork as well. There is especially one painting in the book that shows the Big Hurt at the plate. I'll post here as well.

                    Here's an example of Baseball Weekly.
                    Heck yeah I remember Baseball Weekly Would be interesting to read that article, well before its time. The SI Vault is incredible to browse through. You can just flip from page to page, like it's in your lap. Maybe I'm a moron, but I just discovered that a few days ago. You can't right click and save anything, but if you hit "Ctrl" and "PrtSc", it will take whatever is on your computer screen, and place it on the clipboard. Then just paste as new image in picture program and you can crop whatever you want. Anyway, my point was, I wonder if Baseball Weekly has archives like that. Probably not.

                    Sounds good on Thomas and good luck with the move. That's always fun :

                    I'm going to post a rough outline piece and some pictures. You can edit, organize and add to it as you please.
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                    Frank Edward Thomas Jr

                    Born May 27,1968 in Columbus, Georgia. Second of three kids or fifth of six…two different accounts.

                    Parents: Frank Edward Thomas Sr. and Charlie Mae Thomas

                    Father worked as a bail bonds-man and mother worked in clothing factory.

                    Close family. Frank was very close to his younger sister Pamela, who died when Frank was 10 fro leukemia. Frank became closer to his older brother
                    Michael.

                    Thomas played football, basketball and baseball as a kid, often playing against older competition because of his size and skill.

                    He was a well known hometown athlete going into high school at Columbus High. As a freshman he made varsity in football and basketball, but in baseball,
                    coach Bobby Howard put him on JV. Apparently motivated Thomas. In try outs as a sophmore, he blasted three balls onto a building
                    roof that was 100 feet past the fence and made the varsity team. Seeing something special in Frank, his coach held him to a higher standard, and
                    emphasized the important mental aspects of baseball. Sophmore year batted .400 and Blue Devils win state title.

                    Good as he was in baseball, feelings at the time, were he was even better at football. Great tackler and a top rated tight end in the country. Also
                    was the kicker.

                    With the baseball draft coming up, Frank wanted to choose that route if he was drafted high enough. Auburn offered a football scholarship
                    and he accepted. MLB teams saw that he accepted the Auburn football scholarship and were not aware of his intentions to play baseball if drafted
                    high. Thomas was blown away when he went undrafted.

                    As the back-up tight end at Auburn, he still dreamed of playing baseball instead. The Auburn baseball coach Hal Baird held a private try out and "After one
                    swing, Baird all but decided to make Frank his cleanup hitter. The ball came off his bat with such force that it even surprised the freshman slugger. The weight
                    training he had done for football had doubled his power."

                    Frank his .359 as a sophmore and set a school record with 21 round tripper. Named ALL-SEC and played for Team USA in the '87 Pan Am Games (missed
                    gold medal game for football practice). Not sure why he'd even bother with football after that, but he did. Going into his sophmore football season,
                    he must have been leaning heavily toward baseball full-time, because after injuring his knee in a scrimmage, he gave football up.

                    Junior baseball season at Auburn, made ALL-SEC again but pitchers had now started to fear him. That led to a lot of walks and only 9 home runs. In his

                    Senior season, he wasn't just ALL SEC, he was SEC MVP and an All-American. Playing first base, he led the SEC with a .403 BA, had 83 RBI and 19 HR.

                    His college career BA was .384.


                    Auburn baseball coach Hal Baird –

                    "I think Frank Thomas will likely be viewed as the greatest hitter ever to play at Auburn. I know he is certainly was in my time and in my view. He may be the greatest hitter in the history of the Southeastern Conference, and that's saying a lot with the Rafael Palmeiros, Will Clarks and Todd Heltons and the list goes on and on."

                    "The three years Frank was at Auburn were incredibly productive in every offensive way. He was certainly the most feared hitter in the league during those three years without question."

                    "When he came to Auburn he was the most refined and sophisticated hitter I had ever seen as a freshman, and we didn't have him in the fall because he was with football at the time. He was a football signee and played football during the fall. He had a great understanding of the strike zone and an unbelievable combination of great power and yet he didn't strike out very much. He was very difficult to pitch to and after one time through the league no one wanted to pitch to him. The hardest thing was to try and keep him from being walked because people didn't want to face him."

                    "He had great preparation from Columbus (Ga.) High School and Bobby Howard."

                    "He is a once-in-a-lifetime offensive talent and he really was able to do exactly the same thing at the professional level in a very short time. There really was no apprenticeship for Frank. He was a terrific player from the day he signed. I am certain that he will be a first-ballot Hall of Famer, at least he should be, which would be Auburn's first."

                    "With so many great players, you hate to use superlatives in the sense of one being greater than the other because there are so many great ones but in Frank's case, I think the proof is in the achievements on the field. I know he is the greatest hitter of my years (1985-2000), not only at Auburn but in the league, and I think it's safe to say he is the best hitter to ever have played here."



                    After his senior season he was chosen by the Chicago White Sox with the seventh overall pick in the 1989 MLB draft; the same draft as Ben McDonal, Chuck Knoblauch, and Mo Vaughn.

                    First season as a professional was spent in the lower levels of White Sox system down in Florida. In 72 games he had 71 hits and 42 BB.
                    Promoted to AA Birmingham Barons, (made famous by Michael Jordan) in 1990, where he hit .323 with a .581 SA in 109 games (reached base 231 times).

                    See Frank Thomas' minor league stats here - http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...d=thomas004fra

                    That season, The Sox were in second place behind the A's in the standings and their current first baseman, Carlos Martinez wasn't exactly setting the world on fire.
                    In 272 AB that year, he hit .224 with 4 homers. So they had nothing to lose.

                    Frank Thomas made his MLB debut on August 2, 1990 and played 60 games.

                    His line was an impressive .330/.454.529 with a 177 OPS+. The next highest BA on the team was .285 and his .529 SA was 34 points better than the next guy.
                    Thomas developed his hitting eye throughout college, as pitchers were working around him often. In his short 1990 season, he demonstrated that ability, earning
                    44 walks in just 240 plate appearances, or 5.4 PA/BB. For perspective, the team leader in walks, Carlton Fisk had 8.5 PA/BB

                    How the Big Hurt got his nickname - During the 1991 season, Frank hit a HR and White Sox announcer Ken Harrelson said "Frank put a big hurt on that ball."

                    Frank Thomas joined Babe Ruth, Ted Williams and Mel Ott, as the only players in baseball history to have a .300 average with 500 home runs, 1,500 RBIs, 1,000 runs scored and 1,500 walks in their career.

                    His favorite athletes growing up were Dave Parker and Dave Winfield.


                    “But as a nine-year-old tight end, Thomas was laying out 12-year-old linebackers like bathroom tile. Chester Murray, his Pop Warner coach, returned with nine-year-old Frank from one bludgeoning of 12-year-olds in Savannah and said to Frank Sr., "This kid will be a professional athlete. I don't know in what sport. But he will be a professional athlete."

                    "I've played with a lot of great players and I've played against a lot and he's the best I ever saw." - Tim Raines, talking about Frank Thomas

                    "He made you believe that there was one way to stay focused, one way to stay positive, and one way to get you to get a hit three out of 10 at-bats. We stuck with that program, and I made it happen for years." - Frank Thomas, giving Walt Hriniak credit for influencing him

                    Frank married Elise Silver in 1992. They have a son named Sterling and a daughter named Sloan.
                    Last edited by Sultan_1895-1948; 12-05-2012, 04:00 PM.

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                    • #11
                      US Cellular Field, Chicago - July 31, 2011 - Statue revealed during ceremony to honor The Big Hurt

                      "Love it. They even got my nose right. I’ve been getting (kidded) about my nose for so many years and (manager and former teammate) Ozzie (Guillen) was riding me the other day. They used a lot of clay on that nose. It’s a good thing. It looks very, very realistic. I’m proud of it. Like I told you guys earlier, most guys are dead and gone before they get to see something like this. I’m honored and very, very proud."

                      Statue.jpg

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                      • #12
                        Big Hurt is a Hof legit, I hope he gets in.

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                        • #13
                          I wish there were players like Frank Thomas today. I'm gonna once again tick some people off, but I'll say it anyway:

                          People raved about Trout and Miggy this year, and Pujols for many years in the 2000's, but they all had scrub seasons compared to Thomas' bests. People will reply and say "A Triple Crown isn't gaudy enough for you?" And to that I say Miggy would never have had the opportunity to get that TC if the Big Hurt were in his prime and playing today.

                          In the 90's, there was only one player capable of hanging with (and sometimes even surpassing) Barry Bonds. That player was Frank Thomas.
                          Lou Gehrig is the Truest Yankee of them all!

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                          • #14
                            I'll never forget him in September 2006 while with the A's he killed the Whitesox in a 3 game sweep pretty much knocking us out of the playoffs.

                            It was payback for how Kenny Williams snubbed him from the 2005 playoff roster. Frank Thomas always had said he was healthy enough for the playoffs.
                            "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

                            "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by chicagowhitesox1173 View Post
                              I'll never forget him in September 2006 while with the A's he killed the Whitesox in a 3 game sweep pretty much knocking us out of the playoffs.

                              It was payback for how Kenny Williams snubbed him from the 2005 playoff roster. Frank Thomas always had said he was healthy enough for the playoffs.
                              There was definitely some bad blood between Thomas and Kenny Williams. When Williams was asked for his reaction to White Sox fans at The Cell cheering for Thomas during that series with Oakland, he said "They don't know what I know about him".

                              For the first half of his career, Thomas was the best right-handed hitter I ever saw.
                              They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.

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