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    Let's say the past 20 years or so. I'd say the two worst clearly were in 1998 and 1999. How Sosa won over Mac boggles my mind when you look at the OPS+ difference of 56 points and an OBP of 103! I thought there would never be a worse decision...until the very next year! Pudge winning it over at least 6 more talented players almost makes me think there was some kind of conspiracy going on.
    Lou Gehrig is the Truest Yankee of them all!

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    Sosa had a **load of RBI and the Cubs went to the post-season. Pudge had a helluva catcher season though I at the time thought Jeter, who had a ton of runs should have won.
    A lot of these are with retrospective knowledge and stats type of calls. One that, at the time, I hated and never to this day understand was Mo Vaughan over Albert Belle in 1995.

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    • #3
      I was never big fan of the Jimmy Rollins 2007 pick.

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      • #4
        Without putting too much thought into it, Colon over Santana in '05 and Morneau in '06 (you could make an argument for two of his own teammates!) come to mind. Mo Vaugn in '95 is suspect as well. Frank Thomas robbed Griffey on multiple occasions too it seems.
        I read the news today, oh boy...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by White Knight View Post
          Let's say the past 20 years or so. I'd say the two worst clearly were in 1998 and 1999. How Sosa won over Mac boggles my mind when you look at the OPS+ difference of 56 points and an OBP of 103! I thought there would never be a worse decision...until the very next year! Pudge winning it over at least 6 more talented players almost makes me think there was some kind of conspiracy going on.
          Both good. But Tejada over A-Rod takes the cake for me. Same position and A-Rod was better in every facet of the game.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lithium View Post
            Without putting too much thought into it, Colon over Santana in '05 and Morneau in '06 (you could make an argument for two of his own teammates!) come to mind. Mo Vaugn in '95 is suspect as well. Frank Thomas robbed Griffey on multiple occasions too it seems.
            I don't think Thomas robbed Griffey if anyone was robbed Giambi robbed Thomas in 2000.
            "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

            "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by chicagowhitesox1173 View Post
              I don't think Thomas robbed Griffey if anyone was robbed Giambi robbed Thomas in 2000.
              I'll have to respectfully disagree; "robbery" may be too strong a word, but I do think Thomas' MVPs should have gone to Griffey (similar offensive production, but with excellent defense at a premium position). In regards to 2000, not sure what the case is there. Giambi has a slight lead in BA, large lead in OBP, slight lead in SLG and WAR, etc. However, I don't think either should have won it, as I believe A-Rod deserved it the most.
              I read the news today, oh boy...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by lithium View Post
                I'll have to respectfully disagree; "robbery" may be too strong a word, but I do think Thomas' MVPs should have gone to Griffey (similar offensive production, but with excellent defense at a premium position). In regards to 2000, not sure what the case is there. Giambi has a slight lead in BA, large lead in OBP, slight lead in SLG and WAR, etc. However, I don't think either should have won it, as I believe A-Rod deserved it the most.
                I can see a case for Griffey but Thomas was deff a solid pick during those years. Giambi probably deserved it in 2000 but if they had testing back then I doubt Giambi hits like that. Arod too.
                "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

                "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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                • #9
                  Sandberg should have won in 1990

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
                    Sandberg should have won in 1990
                    I don't know Bonds had a pretty good year. Thats the year he stole 50 bases and hit over 300 with 30 plus homeruns.
                    "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

                    "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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                    • #11
                      If not Pedro, the 1999 AL MVP should have been Manny Ramirez. His RBI production was staggering.
                      "It's time to play America's favorite game- Name That Molina."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by HomeRunHomer View Post
                        If not Pedro, the 1999 AL MVP should have been Manny Ramirez. His RBI production was staggering.
                        I agree. Jeter probably third. All are better than anything Pudge dreamed of. I'm still furious over him winning.
                        Lou Gehrig is the Truest Yankee of them all!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by chicagowhitesox1173 View Post
                          I don't know Bonds had a pretty good year. Thats the year he stole 50 bases and hit over 300 with 30 plus homeruns.
                          Stolen bases are over-rated. Besides, Sandberg had 25 of them AND played a gold glove second base, while hitting 40 dongs and hitting over .300.

                          I've been reading a lot of 538280's posts and he's really got me thinking about positional value. At second base, Ryne's 140 OPS+ is better than Bonds' 170+. Add to that, Sandberg had 344 total bases compared to Bonds' 293.

                          I'm asking you to ignore certain things.

                          For instance, Sandberg was a .255 hitter on the road that year, with a home/road of 196/111 OPS+ and a 25/15 HR, because after all, we don't pay attention to that stuff. Mel Ott was a pedestrian slugger on the road, yet we give him a pass because he had he "skill" to take advantage of his home park. The same can be said of Ryne.

                          Oh and never-rmind that the infield grass at Wrigley resembled a wheat field, which helped Sandberg get to balls he otherwise would have stretched for, or watched trickle past him. We don't have home/road splits for defense luckily...if we did Ryne might be discovered, and Teddy Ballgame's safety net of Fenway would be be unveiled. Bonds did have the rock hard astro turf for perfect hops which helped in fielding and in throwing with his noodle arm.

                          See, there are points/counterpoints to everything. Don't you just LOVE IT? :clowning:

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                          • #14
                            Jack McDowell won Cy in 1993 because he lead the league in Wins. But Randy Johnson and Jimmy Key were better. And more importantly, 1993 was Kevin Appier's huge season.

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                            • #15
                              Guess which pitcher won the Cy Young Award?
                              Code:
                              .          GS    IP  CG SHO  K   BB   H   ER  HR  BAA  OBP  SLG   ERA  ERA+
                              pitcher A  31  228.1  7  4  209  54  193  49   7 .228 .278 .306  1.93  211
                              Pitcher B  35  238.0  2  2  127  77  214  78  26 .242 .304 .391  2.95  125
                              Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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