I think James was smoking something here.
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Yeah he upgraded it to 'Pedro Guerrero' later, but at the time....severe misreading of Herman's career. Same book Hafey is 'Parker' and Klein ditto, so How do you take the guy who was their equal and drop him 7 notches?! Goofy.
Then there was Frisch as Burleson. Oy..
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Originally posted by TomBodet View PostYeah he upgraded it to 'Pedro Guerrero' later, but at the time....severe misreading of Herman's career. Same book Hafey is 'Parker' and Klein ditto, so How do you take the guy who was their equal and drop him 7 notches?! Goofy.
Then there was Frisch as Burleson. Oy.."Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers
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Where and when were these 'comps' made exactly?
Maybe he was more trying to say they were the same 'type' of player (good hitters/terrible at everything else). Even then, a guy like Greg Luzinski would be closer to Herman than Kingman was. Guerrero is not a bad comp.
Herman's lifetime average was 88 points higher than Kingman's!Last edited by willshad; 12-08-2012, 11:59 AM.
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Originally posted by TomBodet View PostOh these were all in the 2 80's Historical Abstracts he did.
Another good one: Gehrig: Garvey/Mattingly."(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack
"I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)
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Im pretty sure he was generalizing, saying these guys are the same 'type' of player, rather than acutally being similar in value or skill. Gehrig and Mattingly were both slugging first basemen with a good batting average and a lot of RBI, Oliver and Simmons were both high average line drive hitters who didn;t walk, KIngman and Herman were both hitters who brought nothing else to the table.
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Originally posted by Sockeye View PostDave Kingman by a fair margin!"No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”
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Originally posted by Cowtipper View PostKingman did have stupendous power and Herman's gaffes were historic, but Herman was a much better player overall. He hit .373 over a three year span for goodness sakes (1928 to 1930).
But, I agree that Babe was a better player relative to his league than Kingman...pretty much all Dave could do was hit home runs."If I drink whiskey, I'll never get worms!" - Hack Wilson
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Originally posted by Dude Paskert View PostStrangely enough, Floyd did not win a batting title in that three year period, but finished second twice. That should tell you something about the offensive environment in that period.
But, I agree that Babe was a better player relative to his league than Kingman...pretty much all Dave could do was hit home runs.
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Originally posted by TomBodet View PostYeah he upgraded it to 'Pedro Guerrero' later, but at the time....severe misreading of Herman's career. Same book Hafey is 'Parker' and Klein ditto, so How do you take the guy who was their equal and drop him 7 notches?! Goofy.
Then there was Frisch as Burleson. Oy.."If I drink whiskey, I'll never get worms!" - Hack Wilson
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