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  • Mike Piazza vs Josh Gibson

    I am curious to see how this turns out. Who do you consider the greater HITTER (or offensive player)? Defense is not considered.
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    Mike Piazza
    57.78%
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    Josh Gibson
    42.22%
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    Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

  • #2
    How can we possibly know how good Gibson would have been in the majors?

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    • #3
      Yeah Adam, I just don't see how Gibson can be in a comparison. Might as well say Spiderman vs Batman. You should go Gibson vs. Charleston if anything, that way the phony stats and sugar coated peer accounts can go up against eachother.

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      • #4
        Can't really compare a guy who spent much of his career playing exhibition and amateur quality games, whose argument is based largely on anecdotal and apocryphal evidence, in leagues that might not have even touched the quality of our minor leagues, with a guy who spent his career in the established, well-known highest level of baseball in the entire world.

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        • #5
          I more curious about the methodology and thought process in selecting one or the other. Over the years I have read several BBF posters state that Gibson was a better hitter than Piazza. I hope they chime in this thread.
          Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
            Yeah Adam, I just don't see how Gibson can be in a comparison. Might as well say Spiderman vs Batman. You should go Gibson vs. Charleston if anything, that way the phony stats and sugar coated peer accounts can go up against eachother.
            As you wish.

            Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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            • #7
              I vote for Mike Piazza. I don't see how Gibson is even in the conversation.
              My top 10 players:

              1. Babe Ruth
              2. Barry Bonds
              3. Ty Cobb
              4. Ted Williams
              5. Willie Mays
              6. Alex Rodriguez
              7. Hank Aaron
              8. Honus Wagner
              9. Lou Gehrig
              10. Mickey Mantle

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                I vote for Mike Piazza. I don't see how Gibson is even in the conversation.
                Man, I wish 538280 was still around. I'm sure he'd argue for Gibson. :hyper:
                Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                • #9
                  --If Gibson was as good as his legend than he was a better hitter than Piazza. Of course its impossible to know given the sketchy stats on Gibson - and even if there were really accurate stats they played under very different conditions so they wouldn't be conclusive. Piazza is easily the best hitting catcher in MLB history, but Gibson has a very good argument for best hitter regardless of position in Negro League history. I'll give the nod to Gibson if for no other reason than somebody should .

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                    Man, I wish 538280 was still around. I'm sure he'd argue for Gibson. :hyper:
                    I'm pretty sure I read a old post by him and thats why I chose Gibson over Piazza.
                    "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

                    "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by chicagowhitesox1173 View Post
                      I'm pretty sure I read a old post by him and thats why I chose Gibson over Piazza.
                      So you probably like Gene Tenace over Piazza, as well.

                      I don't doubt Gibson would have done well at the MLB level given the opportunity. But to automatically place him ahead of a proven commodity, arguably the best in MLB history at the position, is taking too much on faith. A definitive comparison isn't going to be objective.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Captain Cold Nose View Post
                        So you probably like Gene Tenace over Piazza, as well.

                        I don't doubt Gibson would have done well at the MLB level given the opportunity. But to automatically place him ahead of a proven commodity, arguable the best in MLB history at the position, is taking too much on faith. A definitive comparison isn't going to be objective.
                        I'm going by what managers and players said of him when they saw him play. Anyone who is called the black Babe Ruth must have been a pretty good hitter. He's generally ranked in the top 3 Negro League players of alltime and I really feel during his time the Negro Leagues were loaded with talent. So I would roll the dice by picking Gibson over Piazza.
                        "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

                        "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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                        • #13
                          What amazes me about Pizza is that from 1993-2002 he averaged .322/.389/.579, 155 OPS+. For 10 seasons you have a catcher hit like Johnny Mize.
                          Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 12-12-2012, 11:50 AM.
                          Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by chicagowhitesox1173 View Post
                            I'm going by what managers and players said of him when they saw him play.
                            Managers who saw Derek Jeter play gave him 5 Gold Glove awards.
                            My top 10 players:

                            1. Babe Ruth
                            2. Barry Bonds
                            3. Ty Cobb
                            4. Ted Williams
                            5. Willie Mays
                            6. Alex Rodriguez
                            7. Hank Aaron
                            8. Honus Wagner
                            9. Lou Gehrig
                            10. Mickey Mantle

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                              Managers who saw Derek Jeter play gave him 5 Gold Glove awards.
                              Derek Jeter wasn't compared to Ozzie Smith for defense either.
                              "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

                              "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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