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  • Jim Rice vs Carlos Delgado

    I'm going to run a series of polls with the winner advancing each time to face another opponent. Will leave each poll up for a week. I'll try to provide as much statistical information as possible. Hopefully we can get some lively insightful debates going and bring to light some overlooked players from yesteryear.
    If you could pick between these two players to start your franchise with which would you pick? Please consider all relavent information. Their careers as a whole, peak performance, hitting, fielding, baserunning, positional value, league quality, etc.

    Jim Rice

    2089 games
    9058 plate appearances
    8225 at-bats
    1249 runs
    2452 hits
    373 doubles
    79 triples
    382 home runs
    1451 RBI
    58 stolen bases
    34 caught stealing
    670 walks
    1423 strikeouts
    .298 AVG
    .352 OBP
    .502 SLG
    .854 OPS
    128 OPS+
    4129 total bases
    1384 runs created
    6.0 RC/G
    102 AIR
    .628 OW%
    .798 Total Average
    .288 Secondary Average
    278.5 Win Shares
    128.1 WSAB
    44.3 rWAR
    56.1 fWAR
    44.4 sWAR

    Carlos Delgado

    2035 games
    8657 plate appearances
    7283 at-bats
    1241 runs
    2038 hits
    483 doubles
    18 triples
    473 home runs
    1512 RBI
    14 stolen bases
    8 caught stealing
    1109 walks
    1745 strikeouts
    .280 AVG
    .383 OBP
    .546 SLG
    .929 OPS
    138 OPS+
    3976 total bases
    1588 runs created
    7.7 RC/G
    110 AIR
    .678 OW%
    .974 Total Average
    .419 Secondary Average
    303.8 Win Shares
    161.2 WSAB
    40.4 rWAR
    46.4 fWAR
    40.7 sWAR

    Previous results

    Willie Montanez vs Dave Kingman
    Dave Kingman vs Dante Bichette
    Dave Kingman vs Jose Guillen
    Dave Kingman vs Dave Philley
    Dave Kingman vs Shano Collins
    Dave Kingman vs Eric Karros
    Dave Kingman vs Charlie Grimm
    Charlie Grimm vs Juan Gonzalez
    Juan Gonzalez vs Bill Buckner
    Juan Gonzalez vs Ruben Sierra
    Juan Gonzalez vs Gee Walker
    Juan Gonzalez vs Patsy Donovan
    Juan Gonzalez vs Joe Carter
    Juan Gonzalez vs Tommy Davis
    Juan Gonzalez vs Charlie Jamieson
    Juan Gonzalez vs Jeff Conine
    Juan Gonzalez vs Hal Chase
    Juan Gonzalez vs Lee May
    Juan Gonzalez vs Joe Kuhel
    Juan Gonzalez vs Willie Horton
    Juan Gonzalez vs Chris Chambliss
    Juan Gonzalez vs Hal McRae
    Juan Gonzalez vs Andres Galarraga
    Juan Gonzalez vs George Hendrick
    Juan Gonzalez vs Garret Anderson
    Juan Gonzalez vs George Burns
    Juan Gonzalez vs Wally Moses
    Juan Gonzalez vs Del Ennis
    Juan Gonzalez vs Don Baylor
    Juan Gonzalez vs Shawn Green
    Juan Gonzalez vs Stuffy McInnis
    Juan Gonzalez vs Wally Pipp
    Juan Gonzalez vs Gary Matthews
    Juan Gonzalez vs Bobby Bonilla
    Juan Gonzalez vs Mickey Vernon
    Mickey Vernon vs Jose Canseco
    Mickey Vernon vs Carlos Delgado
    Carlos Delgado vs B.J. Surhoff
    Carlos Delgado vs Ken Griffey Sr
    Carlos Delgado vs Wally Joyner
    Carlos Delgado vs Cecil Cooper
    Carlos Delgado vs Jim Bottomley
    Carlos Delgado vs Harold Baines
    Carlos Delgado vs Chili Davis
    Carlos Delgado vs Steve Garvey
    Carlos Delgado vs Magglio Ordonez
    Carlos Delgado vs Paul O'Neil
    Carlos Delgado vs Dave Parker
    Carlos Delgado vs Moises Alou
    Carlos Delgado vs Jake Daubert
    Carlos Delgado vs George J Burns
    Carlos Delgado vs Felipe Alou
    Carlos Delgado vs Don Mattingly
    Carlos Delgado vs Hugh Duffy
    Carlos Delgado vs Al Oliver
    Carlos Delgado vs Dixie Walker
    Carlos Delgado vs Fred Tenney
    Carlos Delgado vs Chuck Klein
    Carlos Delgado vs Heinie Manush
    Carlos Delgado vs Rusty Staub
    Carlos Delgado vs Joe Judge
    Carlos Delgado vs Mark Grace
    Carlos Delgado vs Ed Konetchy
    Carlos Delgado vs Bobby Veach
    16
    Jim Rice
    56.25%
    9
    Carlos Delgado
    43.75%
    7

    The poll is expired.

    My dream ballpark dimensions
    LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
    RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
    Location....San Diego

  • #2
    I'll take Delgado by a small margin, mainly due to a league quality adjustment.

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    • #3
      I went with Jim Ed, but am hopelessly biased, he is a long time fave.

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      • #4
        Rice wins it with his glove--a sentence I never expected to utter.
        Indeed the first step toward finding out is to acknowledge you do not satisfactorily know already; so that no blight can so surely arrest all intellectual growth as the blight of cocksureness.--CS Peirce

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        • #5
          I went with Delgado, close call but Delgado seemed to have a few more peak years than Rice.
          "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

          "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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          • #6
            I'm surprised to see it so close, especially with Rice being such a sabermetric whipping boy.

            Delgado only has 40 WAR for his career, so he is apparently very underrated by saber stats as well.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by pheasant View Post
              I'll take Delgado by a small margin, mainly due to a league quality adjustment.
              ??? The AL was fully Integrated. In the 90s-00s there were four extra teams one could argue he played in a watered down league.

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              • #8
                Sockeye, please don't mind if I ask: What is the goal of these polls? What is the basic reason for running them? There is a pattern I've noticed: >2,000 hits (1,500?) and < 400 home run players vs. >=400 home run players. This isn't a loaded question and I'm not going to attack any answer you provide.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
                  Sockeye, please don't mind if I ask: What is the goal of these polls? What is the basic reason for running them? There is a pattern I've noticed: >2,000 hits (1,500?) and < 400 home run players vs. >=400 home run players. This isn't a loaded question and I'm not going to attack any answer you provide.
                  I think it's to demonstrate how much one-dimensional power hitters (Kingman, Gonzalez, Canseco -- that one backfired -- and Delgado) are better than a selected assortment of players who aren't terrible but who are significantly worse than them overall. No offense, but that's what it appears to be.
                  Last edited by Nerdlinger; 12-18-2012, 11:22 AM.
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                  • #10
                    ...I guess we'll never know.

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                    • #11
                      I went with Delgado, but it's closer than I originally thought.

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