Winningest Losing Pitchers

[philliesfiend55]

Can someone compile a list of the 15 winningest pitchers that finished their careers under .500.
I guess Jack Powell 245-254, Bobo Newsome 211-222, Bob Friend 197-230, and Jim Whitney 191-204 would rank #s 1-2-3-4, but can someone pick up the list from there.
P.S.: Honorable Mention for Charlie Hough who finished exactly at .500 with an improbable 216-216.

[GiambiJuice]

1. Jack Powell 245
2. Bobo Newsome 211
3. Bob Friend 197
4. Jim Whitney 191
5. Tom Zachary 186
6. Chick Fraser 175
7. Murry Dickson 172
8. Danny Darwin 171
9. Bill Dinneen 170
10. Pink Hawley 167
11. Red Donahue 164
12. Mike Moore 161
13. Bump Hadley 161
14. Ted Breitenstein 160
15. Mark Baldwin 154

[Freakshow]

A different take on that idea. Most career WAR, W pct of .500 or less:

Rk             Player  WAR W-L% ERA+     IP From   To   W   L
1         Jack Powell 51.3 .491  106 4389.0 1897 1912 245 254
2    Ted Breitenstein 49.0 .485  110 2973.1 1891 1901 160 170
3         Bobo Newsom 45.6 .487  107 3759.1 1929 1953 211 222
4          Nap Rucker 45.5 .500  118 2375.1 1907 1916 134 134
5         Jim Whitney 43.2 .484  104 3496.1 1881 1890 191 204
6          Bob Friend 42.1 .461  107 3611.0 1951 1966 197 230
7       Murry Dickson 39.6 .487  109 3052.1 1939 1959 172 181
8       Tom Candiotti 39.3 .479  108 2725.0 1983 1999 151 164
9        Bill Dinneen 37.8 .490  107 3074.2 1898 1909 170 177
10       Danny Darwin 36.8 .484  106 3016.2 1978 1998 171 182
11        Jon Matlack 36.3 .498  114 2363.0 1971 1983 125 126
12         Ned Garver 36.0 .451  112 2477.1 1948 1961 129 157
13        Pink Hawley 35.5 .483  107 3012.2 1892 1901 167 179
14       Mark Gubicza 34.9 .493  109 2223.1 1984 1997 132 136
15      Charlie Hough 34.8 .500  106 3801.1 1970 1994 216 216

[Cowtipper]

I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to the idea of Jack Powell in the Hall of Fame.

[Second Base Coach]

I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to the idea of Jack Powell in the Hall of Fame.

At one point in his career he was 209-191.

Looking at recent pitchers, that's right around Jerry Reuss, Joe Niekro, Mickey Lolich, Rich Reuschel guys like that. We have come to learn that Reuschel was better than his W-L indicated. Perhaps Powell was too, while pitching for bad teams.

[Herr28]

A different take on that idea. Most career WAR, W pct of .500 or less:

Rk             Player  WAR W-L% ERA+     IP From   To   W   L
1         Jack Powell 51.3 .491  106 4389.0 1897 1912 245 254
2    Ted Breitenstein 49.0 .485  110 2973.1 1891 1901 160 170
3         Bobo Newsom 45.6 .487  107 3759.1 1929 1953 211 222
4          Nap Rucker 45.5 .500  118 2375.1 1907 1916 134 134
5         Jim Whitney 43.2 .484  104 3496.1 1881 1890 191 204
6          Bob Friend 42.1 .461  107 3611.0 1951 1966 197 230
7       Murry Dickson 39.6 .487  109 3052.1 1939 1959 172 181
8       Tom Candiotti 39.3 .479  108 2725.0 1983 1999 151 164
9        Bill Dinneen 37.8 .490  107 3074.2 1898 1909 170 177
10       Danny Darwin 36.8 .484  106 3016.2 1978 1998 171 182
11        Jon Matlack 36.3 .498  114 2363.0 1971 1983 125 126
12         Ned Garver 36.0 .451  112 2477.1 1948 1961 129 157
13        Pink Hawley 35.5 .483  107 3012.2 1892 1901 167 179
14       Mark Gubicza 34.9 .493  109 2223.1 1984 1997 132 136
15      Charlie Hough 34.8 .500  106 3801.1 1970 1994 216 216

Nice list, thanks for posting that! I think Breitenstein gets under-appreciated a lot of the time. Big fan of Charlie Hough, Ned Garver, Mike Moore, Murry Dickson, Tom Candiotti, Danny Darwin and Jon Matlack. Lots of tough luck in there. I also believe that if Hough had been given a starting job before he was what 30 (?) or so, he would be in the 300 win club -- and possibly the Hall of Fame. It would have at least been a serious test for those "magical number" voters. Could have been good to shake things up a bit.

[JR Hart]

Nice list, thanks for posting that! I think Breitenstein gets under-appreciated a lot of the time. Big fan of Charlie Hough, Ned Garver, Mike Moore, Murry Dickson, Tom Candiotti, Danny Darwin and Jon Matlack. Lots of tough luck in there. I also believe that if Hough had been given a starting job before he was what 30 (?) or so, he would be in the 300 win club -- and possibly the Hall of Fame. It would have at least been a serious test for those "magical number" voters. Could have been good to shake things up a bit.

Wow John Matlack

I always thought that he was a hell of a pitcher

looking him up.......... a 7-15 1977 may have been what cost him a winning record

[JR Hart]

conversely

Kirk Reuter put up a 130-92 record, with some pretty unimpressive stats. Just win baby!

[Herr28]

Wow John Matlack

I always thought that he was a hell of a pitcher

looking him up.......... a 7-15 1977 may have been what cost him a winning record

Yeah, a lot of these guys, probably all I don't know some of them, just had bad luck. They were on terrible teams. Mike Moore was a 19 game winner with the Bash Brothers, and a 19 game loser with the pitiful Mariners. In reality, he was somewhere between, but he was also a workhorse and I always liked him. Imagine if Matlack had pitched for the Yankees rather than the Mets during that stretch in the late 1970s, or even the Orioles or A's during the earlier 1970s. He'd probably be talked about as a big winner like some of those others who got to pitch for those dynasties.