The 15 best hitters since 1990

[willshad]

Another post made me think of this idea. To me, there are so many guys from the beginning of the steroid era until now that are extremely close together with regards to hitting. I imagine that Bonds and Pujols will be1 and 2 on everyone's list, but after that it becomes kind of murky. Thomas? Manny? A-rod? Cabrera? Edgar? Thome? Mcgwire? Bagwell? Piazza? Giambi? Gwynn? Mauer?

Im going to hold of on posting my list until I see if anyone else posts one.

[chicagowhitesox1173]

1. Barry Bonds...no ped deduction
2. Albert Pujols
3. Alex Rodriguez....no ped deduction
4. Frank Thomas
5. Jeff Bagwell
6. Mike Piazza
7. Manny Ramirez
8. Ken Griffey Jr.
9. Mark McGwire
10. Miguel Caberra
11. Joe Mauer
12. Carlos Delgado
13. Ichiro Suzuki
14. Tony Gwynn
15. Edgar Martinez

I'm probably missing quite a few guys.

I'm guessing 90 percent of these guys used peds so I didn't knock any of the well known users.

[drstrangelove]

Another post made me think of this idea. To me, there are so many guys from the beginning of the steroid era until now that are extremely close together with regards to hitting. I imagine that Bonds and Pujols will be1 and 2 on everyone's list, but after that it becomes kind of murky. Thomas? Manny? A-rod? Cabrera? Edgar? Thome? Mcgwire? Bagwell? Piazza? Giambi? Gwynn? Mauer?

Im going to hold of on posting my list until I see if anyone else posts one.

Well, Bond's is not #1 on my list or #2. If you are only referring to HITTING. I would certainly rank Pujols higher, I'd rank Thomas higher, and I'm unsure yet where I'd put Cabrera or Bagwell.

If you are literally meaning starting from 1/1/1990 forward (which excludes his weak early years), then I'll skip the discussion entirely. I find the "Q: Who was the best pitcher in the 1980's? A:Jack Morris" posts irritating.

[chicagowhitesox1173]

Well without discounting steroids I don't see how Bonds would be anything besides number 1.

[Cap78]

Are we talking about hitting or slugging? I see these as different...if its hitting, then i wouldnt put mcgwire on the list

[GiambiJuice]

Lance Berkman probably won't show up on anyone's list but he should.

[dgarza]

Looking at and weighing the talents of Average, Percentage, and Power...

1. Albert Pujols
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2. Barry Bonds
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3. Joey Votto
4. Manny Ramirez
5. Mark McGwire
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6. Frank Thomas
7. Edgar Martinez
8. Miguel Cabrera
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9. Ryan Braun
10. Todd Helton
11. Larry Walker
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12. Joe Mauer
13. Albert Belle
14. Jeff Bagwell
15. Vladimir Guerrero
16. Lance Berkman
17. Tony Gwynn
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18. Jim Thome
19. Alex Rodriguez
20. Ichiro Suzuki

[White Knight]

1. Barry Bonds...no ped deduction
2. Albert Pujols
3. Alex Rodriguez....no ped deduction
4. Frank Thomas
5. Jeff Bagwell
6. Mike Piazza
7. Manny Ramirez
8. Ken Griffey Jr.
9. Mark McGwire
10. Miguel Caberra
11. Joe Mauer
12. Carlos Delgado
13. Ichiro Suzuki
14. Tony Gwynn
15. Edgar Martinez

I'm probably missing quite a few guys.

I'm guessing 90 percent of these guys used peds so I didn't knock any of the well known users.

If we're just doing hitting, and not defense or running the bases, why do you have Manny so low? I'd take him over A-Rod any day.

[White Knight]

1) Bonds
2) Thomas
3) Manny
4) Pujols
5) A-Rod
6) McGwire
7) Griffey
8) Sosa
9) Giambi
10) Gwynn
11) Miggy
12) Jeter
13) Piaza
14) Thome
15) Ichiro

[GiambiJuice]

1) Bonds
2) Thomas
3) Manny
4) Pujols
5) A-Rod
6) McGwire
7) Griffey
8) Sosa
9) Giambi
10) Gwynn
11) Miggy
12) Jeter
13) Piaza
14) Thome
15) Ichiro

What? Jeter's not number 1 ??? :o

[White Knight]

What? Jeter's not number 1 ??? :o

Lol, nah I wish he were. I juist did that list off the top of my head anyway. Can't wait to see your list to see if Cano makes it.

[GiambiJuice]

the absense of Chipper Jones from every single list in this thread boggles my mind.

[willshad]

1. Frank Thomas
2. Barry Bonds
3. Manny Ramirez
4. Albert Pujols
5. Mark Mcgwire
6. A-Rod
7. Jeff Bagwell
8. Mike Piazza
9. Chipper Jones
10. Jim Thome
11. Edgar Martinez
12. Vlad Guerrero
13. Miguel Cabrera
14. Gary Sheffield
15. Ken Griffey Jr
16. Lance Berkman
17. Carlos Delgado
18. Tony Gwynn
19. Jason Giambi
20. David Ortiz

I like Votto, but his career is still too short compared to all of these guys. Same for Braun. Jeter, ichiro, and Mauer do not have enough power to compete. It's hard to rank Helton and Walker, but I tend to think they'd be a notch below my list without the 'Coors effect'.

[pheasant]

Bonds
Pujols
Thomas
Thome
Bagwell
C Jones
Piazza
Berkman
V Guerrero
M Cabrera
Griffey Jr.
Belle
E Martinez
Delgado
Ryan Howard

I based this on clean hitting assuming a natural decline. I tossed out steroid stats. Thus, a-rod,Mcgwire, Ramirez, and Sheffield got dropped.

[willshad]

Bonds
Pujols
Thomas
Thome
Bagwell
C Jones
Piazza
Berkman
V Guerrero
M Cabrera
Griffey Jr.
Belle
E Martinez
Delgado
Ryan Howard

I based this on clean hitting assuming a natural decline. I tossed out steroid stats. Thus, a-rod,Mcgwire, Ramirez, and Sheffield got dropped.

You threw out steroid stats and Bonds is still number one?