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  • #1

    Prime 9: DH

    I was watching Prime 9 last night. The list:

    1. Edgar Martinez
    2. Frank Thomas
    3. David Ortiz
    4. Paul Molitor
    5. Harold Baines
    6. Hal McRae
    7. Don Baylor
    8. Chili Davis
    9. Brian Downing

    Thoughts?
    "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”
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  • #2
    this episode was from two to three years ago I believe

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    • #3
      there doesnt seem to be a lot of consistant dh`s like big papi these days

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      • #4
        Travis Hafner and Jim Thome off the top of my head.
        "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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        • #5
          They got the main ones, but there's only so many players who DH'ed even 500 games.

          Code:
                                               
Rk              Player OPS+ From   To
1         Frank Thomas  156 1990 2008
2            Jim Thome  147 1991 2012
3       Edgar Martinez  147 1987 2004
4         Jason Giambi  141 1995 2012
5    Vladimir Guerrero  140 1996 2011
6       Reggie Jackson  139 1967 1987
7          David Ortiz  138 1997 2012
8        Travis Hafner  137 2002 2012
9         George Brett  135 1973 1993
10        Jose Canseco  132 1985 2001
11          Rico Carty  132 1963 1979
12       Greg Luzinski  130 1970 1984
13        Eddie Murray  129 1977 1997
14            Jim Rice  128 1974 1989
15        Oscar Gamble  127 1969 1985
16       Cliff Johnson  125 1972 1986
17           Hal McRae  123 1968 1987
18      Andre Thornton  123 1973 1987
19        Paul Molitor  122 1978 1998
20       Brian Downing  122 1973 1992
21       Harold Baines  121 1980 2001
22         Chili Davis  121 1981 1999
23       Willie Horton  120 1963 1980
24       Cecil Fielder  119 1985 1998
25        Mike Sweeney  118 1995 2010
26          Don Baylor  118 1970 1988
          Historically, it's been a sporadic role for individuals.

          And actually, since the DH began, 1B in the AL have been bigger boppers than DHs.
          Last edited by dgarza; 12-28-2012, 03:28 PM.

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          • #6
            No Ron Bloomberg?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cap78 View Post
              there doesnt seem to be a lot of consistant dh`s like big papi these days
              the DH is used as an off day a lot in these days. especially in aging teams like the yankees there are 3-4 players who regularly need off days an the DH is a nice way to achieve that and still keep their bat in the lineup. a pure DH robs you a lot of roser flexibility. a lot of teams like to use multi position players.

              the only reason to use a full time DH is when you have an old/injury prone guy who is a very good hitter but terrible defender.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
                Travis Hafner and Jim Thome off the top of my head.
                Thome is not a career DH IMO. He didn't DH full-time until his age 35 season.
                Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dominik View Post
                  the DH is used as an off day a lot in these days. especially in aging teams like the yankees there are 3-4 players who regularly need off days an the DH is a nice way to achieve that and still keep their bat in the lineup. a pure DH robs you a lot of roser flexibility. a lot of teams like to use multi position players.

                  the only reason to use a full time DH is when you have an old/injury prone guy who is a very good hitter but terrible defender.
                  Historically, it seems less than half of AL teams ever use a real full-time DH.

                  This shows how many players DH'ed 100+ games each season. We can see that this past season, only 2 players DH'ed 100+ games.
                  Code:
                                                                                                                                                                                               
Rk   Year                                                                                                                                                           #Matching
1    2012         2                                                                                                                               Billy Butler / Delmon Young
2    2011         7                                             Bobby Abreu / Billy Butler / Johnny Damon / Vladimir Guerrero / Victor Martinez / Hideki Matsui / David Ortiz
3    2010         5                                                                               Vladimir Guerrero / Travis Hafner / Adam Lind / Hideki Matsui / David Ortiz
4    2009         4                                                                                                   Pat Burrell / Mike Jacobs / Hideki Matsui / David Ortiz
5    2008         4                                                                                                 Milton Bradley / David Ortiz / Gary Sheffield / Jim Thome
6    2007         6                                                                      Travis Hafner / David Ortiz / Gary Sheffield / Frank Thomas / Jim Thome / Jose Vidro
7    2006         5                                                                                      Jonny Gomes / Travis Hafner / David Ortiz / Frank Thomas / Jim Thome
8    2005         4                                                                                                  Carl Everett / Travis Hafner / Raul Ibanez / David Ortiz
9    2004         4                                                                                             Erubiel Durazo / Travis Hafner / Edgar Martinez / David Ortiz
10   2003         4                                                                                              Erubiel Durazo / Edgar Martinez / Josh Phelps / Frank Thomas
11   2002         2                                                                                                                                Ellis Burks / Frank Thomas
12   2001         3                                                                                                               Ellis Burks / Brad Fullmer / Edgar Martinez
13   2000         3                                                                                                              Brad Fullmer / Edgar Martinez / Frank Thomas
14   1999         6                                                                 Harold Baines / Jose Canseco / Chili Davis / John Jaha / Edgar Martinez / Rafael Palmeiro
15   1998         7                                                    David Justice / Edgar Martinez / Paul Molitor / Tim Salmon / Matt Stairs / Mike Stanley / Frank Thomas
16   1997         5                                                                            Harold Baines / Chili Davis / Reggie Jefferson / Edgar Martinez / Paul Molitor
17   1996         7                                            Harold Baines / Chili Davis / Carlos Delgado / Edgar Martinez / Paul Molitor / Eddie Murray / Mickey Tettleton
18   1995         6                                                                  Harold Baines / Jose Canseco / Chili Davis / Edgar Martinez / Paul Molitor / Greg Vaughn
19   1994         3                                                                                                                 Jose Canseco / Chili Davis / Paul Molitor
20   1993         7                                                    Harold Baines / George Bell / George Brett / Chili Davis / Julio Franco / Paul Molitor / Dave Winfield
21   1992         8                                      Harold Baines / Albert Belle / George Bell / George Brett / Chili Davis / Glenn Davis / Paul Molitor / Dave Winfield
22   1991        11 Harold Baines / George Brett / Jack Clark / Alvin Davis / Chili Davis / Brian Downing / Sam Horn / Kevin Maas / Paul Molitor / Dave Parker / Frank Thomas
23   1990         4                                                                                                  Harold Baines / Dwight Evans / Chris James / Dave Parker
24   1989         4                                                                                             Harold Baines / Brian Downing / Jeffrey Leonard / Dave Parker
25   1988         5                                                                                   Harold Baines / Jack Clark / Brian Downing / Rance Mulliniks / Jim Rice
26   1987         5                                                                                   Harold Baines / Don Baylor / Brian Downing / Larry Parrish / Ken Phelps
27   1986         6                                                                   Don Baylor / Mike Easler / Reggie Jackson / Dave Kingman / Roy Smalley / Andre Thornton
28   1985         7                                                      Don Baylor / Mike Easler / Cliff Johnson / Dave Kingman / Hal McRae / Gorman Thomas / Andre Thornton
29   1984         8                                 Don Baylor / Mike Easler / Reggie Jackson / Cliff Johnson / Dave Kingman / Greg Luzinski / Ken Singleton / Andre Thornton
30   1983         9                  Don Baylor / Jeff Burroughs / Randy Bush / Cliff Johnson / Greg Luzinski / Hal McRae / Ken Singleton / Andre Thornton / Carl Yastrzemski
31   1982         7                                                  Don Baylor / Greg Luzinski / Hal McRae / Ken Singleton / Andre Thornton / Carl Yastrzemski / Richie Zisk
32   1981         2                                                                                                                                 Greg Luzinski / Al Oliver
33   1980         2                                                                                                                                 Hal McRae / Mitchell Page
34   1979         5                                                                                          Rico Carty / Willie Horton / Lee May / Hal McRae / Mitchell Page
35   1978         7                                                                 Glenn Adams / Don Baylor / Rico Carty / Willie Horton / Lee May / Hal McRae / Rusty Staub
36   1977         6                                                                            Rico Carty / Willie Horton / Hal McRae / Eddie Murray / Jim Rice / Rusty Staub
37   1976         4                                                                                                   Rico Carty / Willie Horton / Hal McRae / Billy Williams
38   1975         5                                                                                    Hank Aaron / Tommy Davis / Willie Horton / Tony Oliva / Billy Williams
39   1974         5                                                                                      Tommy Davis / Oscar Gamble / Al Kaline / Tony Oliva / Frank Robinson
40   1973         8                                    Gates Brown / Orlando Cepeda / Tommy Davis / Jim Ray Hart / Alex Johnson / Deron Johnson / Tony Oliva / Frank Robinson

                  These are the players who DH'ed 100+ games in a season 3 or more times.
                  Code:
                                                      
Rk                               Yrs
1     Harold Baines  11 Ind. Seasons
2    Edgar Martinez   9 Ind. Seasons
3       David Ortiz   8 Ind. Seasons
4      Paul Molitor   8 Ind. Seasons
5       Chili Davis   8 Ind. Seasons
6         Hal McRae   8 Ind. Seasons
7      Frank Thomas   7 Ind. Seasons
8        Don Baylor   7 Ind. Seasons
9     Travis Hafner   5 Ind. Seasons
10   Andre Thornton   5 Ind. Seasons
11    Willie Horton   5 Ind. Seasons
12    Brian Downing   4 Ind. Seasons
13    Greg Luzinski   4 Ind. Seasons
14       Rico Carty   4 Ind. Seasons
15    Hideki Matsui   3 Ind. Seasons
16        Jim Thome   3 Ind. Seasons
17     Jose Canseco   3 Ind. Seasons
18     George Brett   3 Ind. Seasons
19      Dave Parker   3 Ind. Seasons
20     Dave Kingman   3 Ind. Seasons
21      Mike Easler   3 Ind. Seasons
22    Cliff Johnson   3 Ind. Seasons
23    Ken Singleton   3 Ind. Seasons
24       Tony Oliva   3 Ind. Seasons
25      Tommy Davis   3 Ind. Seasons

                  These are players who DH'ed 100+ more games in their 20's.
                  Code:
                                                              
Rk                    Yrs                Age
1       Travis Hafner   3 27-29 Ind. Seasons
2        Billy Butler   2 25-26 Ind. Seasons
3         David Ortiz   2 28-29 Ind. Seasons
4        Brad Fullmer   2 25-26 Ind. Seasons
5       Harold Baines   2 28-29 Ind. Seasons
6       Mitchell Page   2 27-28 Ind. Seasons
7        Delmon Young   1 26-26 Ind. Seasons
8           Adam Lind   1 26-26 Ind. Seasons
9         Mike Jacobs   1 28-28 Ind. Seasons
10        Jonny Gomes   1 25-25 Ind. Seasons
11        Josh Phelps   1 25-25 Ind. Seasons
12     Erubiel Durazo   1 29-29 Ind. Seasons
13         Tim Salmon   1 29-29 Ind. Seasons
14   Reggie Jefferson   1 28-28 Ind. Seasons
15     Carlos Delgado   1 24-24 Ind. Seasons
16        Greg Vaughn   1 29-29 Ind. Seasons
17       Jose Canseco   1 29-29 Ind. Seasons
18       Albert Belle   1 25-25 Ind. Seasons
19       Frank Thomas   1 23-23 Ind. Seasons
20         Kevin Maas   1 26-26 Ind. Seasons
21           Sam Horn   1 27-27 Ind. Seasons
22        Chris James   1 27-27 Ind. Seasons
23         Randy Bush   1 24-24 Ind. Seasons
24         Don Baylor   1 29-29 Ind. Seasons
25           Jim Rice   1 24-24 Ind. Seasons
26       Eddie Murray   1 21-21 Ind. Seasons
27       Oscar Gamble   1 24-24 Ind. Seasons
                  Last edited by dgarza; 12-29-2012, 10:44 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Dave Parker put up some good counting numbers as a DH. I think he was voted top DH at least two of the three years he was in the AL.
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                    • #11
                      As much as a love Edgar Martinez, I think Thomas should have been #1. He was a better hitter than Edgar and played most his career at DH.
                      My top 10 players:

                      1. Babe Ruth
                      2. Barry Bonds
                      3. Ty Cobb
                      4. Ted Williams
                      5. Willie Mays
                      6. Alex Rodriguez
                      7. Hank Aaron
                      8. Honus Wagner
                      9. Lou Gehrig
                      10. Mickey Mantle

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Captain Cold Nose View Post
                        Dave Parker put up some good counting numbers as a DH. I think he was voted top DH at least two of the three years he was in the AL.
                        Well, he won 1 Silver Slugger award as a DH.

                        And I didn't know this, but Julio Franco won a Silver Slugger as a DH once too.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                          Thome is not a career DH IMO. He didn't DH full-time until his age 35 season.
                          No, he's a recent full-timer though.
                          "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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