One of these is not like the other?

[filihok]

In the vein of the 'Who's better' threads...

In my brief time here on BBF I've come across a few posters who have claimed that one player/position/team with one of the following batting lines is clearly different than the others.

Can you tell which one?

A: OBP 25% better than league average. SLG 30% better than league average
B: OBP 42% better than league average. SLG 36% better than league average
C: OBP 34% better than league average. SLG 23% better than league average
D: OBP 22% better than league average. SLG 30% better than league average
E: OBP 32% better than league average. SLG 34% better than league average

Which one doesn't belong? Or do they all belong?



*OBP 25% better than league average = OBP/League Average OBP = 1.25

[Francoeurstein]

How's their defense?

I'm kidding.

[Jackaroo Dave]

Just checking: by 25% better than league average OBA, do you mean an OBA+ of 125, 25% of league average better than league average, or 133, 25% of the player's OBA better than league average?

[filihok]

Just checking: by 25% better than league average OBA, do you mean an OBA+ of 125, 25% of league average better than league average, or 133, 25% of the player's OBA better than league average?

See my edit

[toomanyhatz]

Not quite sure I understand the question fully, but if you're asking which one is clearly statistically superior or inferior to the rest, I would expect the player (?) represented by line B to be one of the best in the league that season. Probably not true of the others short of a massive positional adjustment or incredible defense. (I generally hold great offense to be much more valueable than great defense, but the gulf is not so wide that amazing defense can't shorten it in this case.)

[filihok]

Three more days to get your votes in before the shocking conculsion

[Second Base Coach]

Is this five eras from the same player's career?

[Jackaroo Dave]

I'm going with E because i don't think it's either extreme, as that would not be especially noteworthy, and of the remainder, its OB and SLG both are close to the medians, even though it's not the medianOPS+. It can't be C, because made-up multiple choice answers are almost always C and filihok would never stoop to a cliche. But they're never E. (They're never A, either, but I don't like that min OPS+.) E >? A > C > D > B. . . .

[filihok]

Poll closes today.

I'm disappointed that more of the great minds of BBF aren't able to easily see which of the above is so clearly different from the others.

It can't be C, because made-up multiple choice answers are almost always C and filihok would never stoop to a cliche.

Unless I knew that people would know that I knew that they knew that multiple choice answers favor C and made it C for that reason.

[Jackaroo Dave]

Poll closes today.

I'm disappointed that more of the great minds of BBF aren't able to easily see which of the above is so clearly different from the others.
Unless I knew that people would know that I knew that they knew that multiple choice answers favor C and made it C for that reason.

I thought of that, but I think you are too high minded to succumb to mediocrity even as a strategy.

[filihok]

I thought of that, but I think you are too high minded to succumb to mediocrity even as a strategy.

The answers were done at random. Drawing from a hat

[GiambiJuice]

So what's the answer? The suspense is killing me.

[brett]

In the vein of the 'Who's better' threads...

In my brief time here on BBF I've come across a few posters who have claimed that one player/position/team with one of the following batting lines is clearly different than the others.

Can you tell which one?

A: OBP 25% better than league average. SLG 30% better than league average
B: OBP 42% better than league average. SLG 36% better than league average
C: OBP 34% better than league average. SLG 23% better than league average
D: OBP 22% better than league average. SLG 30% better than league average
E: OBP 32% better than league average. SLG 34% better than league average

Which one doesn't belong? Or do they all belong?



*OBP 25% better than league average = OBP/League Average OBP = 1.25

Are these ballpark adjusted league averages? Also are these single season lines? If they are park adjusted they can't be anyone's career lines because no one had a 142% relative on base percentatge.

[filihok]

Are these ballpark adjusted league averages? Also are these single season lines? If they are park adjusted they can't be anyone's career lines because no one had a 142% relative on base percentatge.

The numbers were not ballpark adjusted

So what's the answer? The suspense is killing me.

Disappointed that there were so few votes. But, the results are in.

Player A was Joe Morgan in 1973. His OBP of .406 was 25% better than the league average of .325 and his .493 SLG was 30% better than the league rate of .379.
Player B was also Joe Morgan. This time in 1975. Morgan .466/.508. League .327/.374
Player C was Joe Morgan again. 1972. Morgan .417/.435. League .311/.354
Player E was Joe Morgan in 1974. Morgan .427/.493. League .324/.369

Player D was Ben Zobrist in 2009. Zobrist had a .405 OBP and .543. The league averages were .333 and .418.


Nobody identified Zobrist's season as being the outlier among Joe Morgan's best and MVP seasons. This is good, because there's no real reason to. His 2009 was a legitimate MVP season when figuring his excellent offense and defense at a difficult position.

[toomanyhatz]

Only problem is, statistically it's not an outlier. It's only an outlier because of who he was (in this case, someone other than Joe Morgan). What this actually proves to me is:

a) I was right about what the outlier was. Morgan's 1975 season is his best by some distance (unless it was 1976, which you didn't include, possibly because it didn't match up as well with Zobrist).

b) Zobrist had one season that stands up with Morgan's 2nd-5th best. I hope you are not suggesting in any way that this proves Zobrist to be on the same level as Morgan. The woods are full of players that had one season the equivalent of one of the better ones of a Hall of Famer at the same position. The trick is doing it year-after-year. I'm guessing Morgan even has a few more seasons pretty close to the same level. When Zobrist does it a couple more times, then we'll talk.