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  • Al Smith vs. Von Hayes

    We're playing the "who is better than his most similar comparison" (on Baseball-Reference) game.

    My starting point was Tommy Dowd, the guy with the lowest WAR among all batters with at least 5,000 plate appearances. I hope to work my way up to *somebody* vs. Babe Ruth. That'd be cool.

    Which of these players would you like to build your franchise around?

    Smith:

    1517 G
    6173 PA
    5357 AB
    843 R
    1458 H
    258 2B
    46 3B
    164 HR
    676 RBI
    67 SB
    43 CS
    674 BB
    768 K
    .272 BA
    .358 OBP
    .429 SLG
    .787 OPS
    113 OPS+
    2300 TB
    127 GDP
    63 HBP
    35 SH
    >= 43 SF
    >=30 IBB
    18.4 WAR

    Hayes:

    1495 G
    6052 PA
    5249 AB
    767 R
    1402 H
    282 2B
    36 3B
    143 HR
    696 RBI
    253 SB
    97 CS
    712 BB
    804 SO
    .267 BA
    .354 OBP
    .416 SLG
    .770 OPS
    113 OPS+
    2185 TB
    100 GDP
    22 HBP
    19 SH
    50 SF
    82 IBB
    27.3 WAR

    If Smith wins, he will face his third-most similar comp. If Hayes wins, he will face his most similar comp.

    Past face-offs (winner in bold):

    Tommy Dowd vs. Ned Hanlon (as a player)
    Ned Hanlon (as a player) vs. Joe Hornung
    Ned Hanlon (as a player) vs. Curt Welch
    Curt Welch vs. Blondie Purcell
    Curt Welch vs. Bob Bescher
    Curt Welch vs. George Pinkney
    Curt Welch vs. Joe Hornung
    Curt Welch vs. Rube Oldring
    Curt Welch vs. Solly Hofman
    Curt Welch vs. Tom York
    Curt Welch vs. George Case
    Curt Welch vs. Tommy Dowd
    Curt Welch vs. Charlie Hemphill
    Curt Welch vs. George Browne
    Curt Welch vs. Jack McCarthy
    Curt Welch vs. Shad Barry
    Curt Welch vs. Patsy Dougherty
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Carson Bigbee
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Jack Smith
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Johnny Bates - tie
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Johnny Bates vs. Cliff Heathcote vs. Mike Mitchell
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Lou Finney
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Whitey Witt
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Ducky Holmes
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Matty McIntyre
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Gene Richards
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Tom Goodwin
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Peanuts Lowrey
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Patsy Tebeau
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Billy Hatcher
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Red Murray
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Hi Myers
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Mike Kreevich
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Luis Polonia
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Darryl Hamilton
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Max Flack
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Al Bumbry
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Ron LeFlore
    Ron LeFlore vs. Mookie Wilson
    Ron LeFlore vs. Dan Gladden
    Ron LeFlore vs. Doug Glanville
    Ron LeFlore vs. Taylor Douthit
    Ron LeFlore vs. Terry Puhl
    Terry Puhl vs. Jerry Mumphrey
    Terry Puhl vs. Les Mann
    Terry Puhl vs. John Titus
    John Titus vs. Amos Strunk
    John Titus vs. Tommy Griffith
    John Titus vs. Elmer Valo
    Elmer Valo vs. Stan Javier
    Elmer Valo vs. Dave Martinez
    Elmer Valo vs. Tony Gonzalez
    Tony Gonzalez vs. Tillie Walker
    Tillie Walker vs. Roberto Kelly
    Tillie Walker vs. Al Cowens
    Tillie Walker vs. Wally Moon
    Wally Moon vs. Hank Bauer
    Hank Bauer vs. Al Smith
    8
    Al Smith
    50.00%
    4
    Von Hayes
    50.00%
    4

    The poll is expired.


  • #2
    I went Von Hayes. The stolen base ratio won it for him.
    "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

    "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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    • #3
      If I had to build my franchise around either one, I'd sell it off on eBay.

      However, I picked Smith on this one. I remember follwing Hayes when he came up with Cleveland and he always seemed to have a lot more potential than what he displayed on the field. He had that excellent year in '86, but never really blossomed into a consistently good player.

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      • #4
        I almost went with Hayes based on potential, but as noted that promise of '82 never came to fruition.

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        • #5
          I'll take Smith too. Despite the relative crash in his prime, he was much more durable than Hayes, who fell off a cliff in 1991 (ZERO home runs after 17 in '90) and didn't last long afterwards.
          46 wins to match last year's total

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          • #6
            After rocketing off to a 4-1 start, Al Smith lost his momentum and Von Hayes gained steam. We ended with a tie for only the second time ever.

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            • #7
              Today is the 50th anniversary of a trade which involved Smith as welll as two future HOFers.

              On Jan. 14, 1963, the White Sox sent long-time star shortstop Luis Aparicio, along with third baseman Al Smith, to Baltimore for Ron Hansen, Dave Nicholson, Pete Ward, and Hoyt Wilhelm.
              "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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