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  • Fred McGriff vs Jim Rice

    I'm going to run a series of polls with the winner advancing each time to face another opponent. Will leave each poll up for a week. I'll try to provide as much statistical information as possible. Hopefully we can get some lively insightful debates going and bring to light some overlooked players from yesteryear.
    If you could pick between these two players to start your franchise with which would you pick? Please consider all relavent information. Their careers as a whole, peak performance, hitting, fielding, baserunning, positional value, league quality, etc.

    Jim Rice

    2089 games
    9058 plate appearances
    8225 at-bats
    1249 runs
    2452 hits
    373 doubles
    79 triples
    382 home runs
    1451 RBI
    58 stolen bases
    34 caught stealing
    670 walks
    1423 strikeouts
    .298 AVG
    .352 OBP
    .502 SLG
    .854 OPS
    128 OPS+
    4129 total bases
    1384 runs created
    6.0 RC/G
    102 AIR
    .628 OW%
    .798 Total Average
    .288 Secondary Average
    278.5 Win Shares
    128.1 WSAB
    44.3 rWAR
    56.1 fWAR
    44.4 sWAR

    Fred McGriff

    2460 games
    10174 plate appearances
    8757 at-bats
    1349 runs
    2490 hits
    441 doubles
    24 triples
    493 home runs
    1550 RBI
    72 stolen bases
    38 caught stealing
    1305 walks
    1882 strikeouts
    .284 AVG
    .377 OBP
    .509 SLG
    .886 OPS
    134 OPS+
    4458 total bases
    1704 runs created
    6.9 RC/G
    105 AIR
    .662 OW%
    .894 Total Average
    .378 Secondary Average
    348.7 Win Shares
    176.3 WSAB
    48.2 rWAR
    61.0 fWAR
    48.1 sWAR

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    16
    Fred McGriff
    87.50%
    14
    Jim Rice
    12.50%
    2

    The poll is expired.

    My dream ballpark dimensions
    LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
    RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
    Location....San Diego

  • #2
    I kind of see McGriff as a 1990s version of Rice (our memories of him make him greater than he actually was). So I went with McGriff.

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    • #3
      Wellll, Crime Dog for career value. Jim Ed is better than he is credited w by TUS(the usual suspects) here but Fred gets the nod.

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      • #4
        I gave Crime Dog the nod here. It's closer than I realized at first, even after I cast the vote. But I think McGriff has more value, keeping his rate stats up for 1,000 more PAs and his total and secondary averages blow Rice away.
        46 wins to match last year's total

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
          I gave Crime Dog the nod here. It's closer than I realized at first, even after I cast the vote. But I think McGriff has more value, keeping his rate stats up for 1,000 more PAs and his total and secondary averages blow Rice away.
          This sounds about right.

          I'll admit I was going to say "McGriff by far" until I looked closer at the stats.

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          • #6
            So with Rice in the HOF we can pretty much agree that the Crime Dog should be there too correct?
            My dream ballpark dimensions
            LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
            RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
            Location....San Diego

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sockeye View Post
              So with Rice in the HOF we can pretty much agree that the Crime Dog should be there too correct?
              Not necessarily. Rice is considered one of the weaker members of the Hall of Fame and plenty of folks would say he doesn't belong.

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              • #8
                Fred McGriff.
                "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

                "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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                • #9
                  I have Mcgriff winning easily.

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                  • #10
                    McGriff was better even if you ignore that McGriff played in the steroid era (and Rice didn't). IF you make any reasonable adjustment for that, then he becomes a much better player than Rice.
                    "It's better to look good, than be good."

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                    • #11
                      Interesting match. I was tempted to take Rice based on peak, but McGriff had a pretty good and perhaps longer run from @ 87-88 through 93-94 (off the top of my head). Considering their value was almost all in the batters box gotta give it to McGriff.

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