Fred McGriff vs Jim Rice

[PVNICK]

Interesting match. I was tempted to take Rice based on peak, but McGriff had a pretty good and perhaps longer run from @ 87-88 through 93-94 (off the top of my head). Considering their value was almost all in the batters box gotta give it to McGriff.

[drstrangelove]

McGriff was better even if you ignore that McGriff played in the steroid era (and Rice didn't). IF you make any reasonable adjustment for that, then he becomes a much better player than Rice.

[pheasant]

I have Mcgriff winning easily.

[chicagowhitesox1173]

Fred McGriff.

[Cowtipper]

So with Rice in the HOF we can pretty much agree that the Crime Dog should be there too correct?

Not necessarily. Rice is considered one of the weaker members of the Hall of Fame and plenty of folks would say he doesn't belong.

[Sockeye]

So with Rice in the HOF we can pretty much agree that the Crime Dog should be there too correct?

[fenrir]

I gave Crime Dog the nod here. It's closer than I realized at first, even after I cast the vote. But I think McGriff has more value, keeping his rate stats up for 1,000 more PAs and his total and secondary averages blow Rice away.

This sounds about right.

I'll admit I was going to say "McGriff by far" until I looked closer at the stats.

[SamtheBravesFan]

I gave Crime Dog the nod here. It's closer than I realized at first, even after I cast the vote. But I think McGriff has more value, keeping his rate stats up for 1,000 more PAs and his total and secondary averages blow Rice away.

[TomBodet]

Wellll, Crime Dog for career value. Jim Ed is better than he is credited w by TUS(the usual suspects) here but Fred gets the nod.

[Cowtipper]

I kind of see McGriff as a 1990s version of Rice (our memories of him make him greater than he actually was). So I went with McGriff.

[Sockeye]

I'm going to run a series of polls with the winner advancing each time to face another opponent. Will leave each poll up for a week. I'll try to provide as much statistical information as possible. Hopefully we can get some lively insightful debates going and bring to light some overlooked players from yesteryear.
If you could pick between these two players to start your franchise with which would you pick? Please consider all relavent information. Their careers as a whole, peak performance, hitting, fielding, baserunning, positional value, league quality, etc.

Jim Rice

2089 games
9058 plate appearances
8225 at-bats
1249 runs
2452 hits
373 doubles
79 triples
382 home runs
1451 RBI
58 stolen bases
34 caught stealing
670 walks
1423 strikeouts
.298 AVG
.352 OBP
.502 SLG
.854 OPS
128 OPS+
4129 total bases
1384 runs created
6.0 RC/G
102 AIR
.628 OW%
.798 Total Average
.288 Secondary Average
278.5 Win Shares
128.1 WSAB
44.3 rWAR
56.1 fWAR
44.4 sWAR

Fred McGriff

2460 games
10174 plate appearances
8757 at-bats
1349 runs
2490 hits
441 doubles
24 triples
493 home runs
1550 RBI
72 stolen bases
38 caught stealing
1305 walks
1882 strikeouts
.284 AVG
.377 OBP
.509 SLG
.886 OPS
134 OPS+
4458 total bases
1704 runs created
6.9 RC/G
105 AIR
.662 OW%
.894 Total Average
.378 Secondary Average
348.7 Win Shares
176.3 WSAB
48.2 rWAR
61.0 fWAR
48.1 sWAR

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