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  • Al Smith vs. Von Hayes vs. Matt Lawton vs. Andy Van Slyke

    We're playing the "who is better than his most similar comparison" (on Baseball-Reference) game.

    My starting point was Tommy Dowd, the guy with the lowest WAR among all batters with at least 5,000 plate appearances. I hope to work my way up to *somebody* vs. Babe Ruth. That'd be cool.

    Which of these players would you like to build your franchise around?


    1517 G
    6173 PA
    5357 AB
    843 R
    1458 H
    258 2B
    46 3B
    164 HR
    676 RBI
    67 SB
    43 CS
    674 BB
    768 K
    .272 BA
    .358 OBP
    .429 SLG
    .787 OPS
    113 OPS+
    2300 TB
    127 GDP
    63 HBP
    35 SH
    >= 43 SF
    >=30 IBB
    18.4 WAR


    1495 G
    6052 PA
    5249 AB
    767 R
    1402 H
    282 2B
    36 3B
    143 HR
    696 RBI
    253 SB
    97 CS
    712 BB
    804 SO
    .267 BA
    .354 OBP
    .416 SLG
    .770 OPS
    113 OPS+
    2185 TB
    100 GDP
    22 HBP
    19 SH
    50 SF
    82 IBB
    27.3 WAR


    1334 G
    5570 PA
    4763 AB
    756 R
    1273 H
    267 2B
    17 3B
    138 HR
    631 RBI
    165 SB
    66 CS
    681 BB
    613 K
    .267 BA
    .368 OBP
    .417 SLG
    .785 OPS
    105 OPS+
    1988 TB
    113 GDP
    94 HBP
    2 SH
    30 SF
    34 IBB
    12.5 WAR

    Van Slyke:

    1658 G
    6495 PA
    5711 AB
    835 R
    1562 H
    293 2B
    91 3B
    164 HR
    792 RBI
    245 SB
    59 CS
    667 BB
    1032 K
    .274 BA
    .349 OBP
    .443 SLG
    .793 OPS
    119 OPS+
    2529 TB
    94 GDP
    27 HBP
    12 SH
    61 SF
    55 IBB
    38.6 WAR

    If Smith wins, he will face his fourth-most similar comp. If Hayes wins, he will face his third-most similar comp. If Lawton wins, he will face his second-most similar comp. If Van Slyke wins, he will face his most similar comp.

    Past face-offs (winner in bold):

    Tommy Dowd vs. Ned Hanlon (as a player)
    Ned Hanlon (as a player) vs. Joe Hornung
    Ned Hanlon (as a player) vs. Curt Welch
    Curt Welch vs. Blondie Purcell
    Curt Welch vs. Bob Bescher
    Curt Welch vs. George Pinkney
    Curt Welch vs. Joe Hornung
    Curt Welch vs. Rube Oldring
    Curt Welch vs. Solly Hofman
    Curt Welch vs. Tom York
    Curt Welch vs. George Case
    Curt Welch vs. Tommy Dowd
    Curt Welch vs. Charlie Hemphill
    Curt Welch vs. George Browne
    Curt Welch vs. Jack McCarthy
    Curt Welch vs. Shad Barry
    Curt Welch vs. Patsy Dougherty
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Carson Bigbee
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Jack Smith
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Johnny Bates - tie
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Johnny Bates vs. Cliff Heathcote vs. Mike Mitchell
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Lou Finney
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Whitey Witt
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Ducky Holmes
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Matty McIntyre
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Gene Richards
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Tom Goodwin
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Peanuts Lowrey
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Patsy Tebeau
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Billy Hatcher
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Red Murray
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Hi Myers
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Mike Kreevich
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Luis Polonia
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Darryl Hamilton
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Max Flack
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Al Bumbry
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Ron LeFlore
    Ron LeFlore vs. Mookie Wilson
    Ron LeFlore vs. Dan Gladden
    Ron LeFlore vs. Doug Glanville
    Ron LeFlore vs. Taylor Douthit
    Ron LeFlore vs. Terry Puhl
    Terry Puhl vs. Jerry Mumphrey
    Terry Puhl vs. Les Mann
    Terry Puhl vs. John Titus
    John Titus vs. Amos Strunk
    John Titus vs. Tommy Griffith
    John Titus vs. Elmer Valo
    Elmer Valo vs. Stan Javier
    Elmer Valo vs. Dave Martinez
    Elmer Valo vs. Tony Gonzalez
    Tony Gonzalez vs. Tillie Walker
    Tillie Walker vs. Roberto Kelly
    Tillie Walker vs. Al Cowens
    Tillie Walker vs. Wally Moon
    Wally Moon vs. Hank Bauer
    Hank Bauer vs. Al Smith
    Al Smith vs. Von Hayes (tie)
    Al Smith
    Von Hayes
    Matt Lawton
    Andy Van Slyke

    The poll is expired.

  • #2
    So why four choices?
    46 wins to match last year's total


    • #3
      As I thought when I saw the names: VanSlyke by a mile. Nice to see OPS+, WAR,, Avg, RBI, R (misses a clean sweep by a few v. Al Smith), correlate with my contemporaneous opinion.


      • #4
        Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
        So why four choices?
        I think because of the tie. Sounds like a WWF steel cage match though doesn't it?
        "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”


        • #5
          Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
          So why four choices?
          Von Hayes and Al Smith tied in the balloting, so now it's those two vs. both of their top comparisons. If all four of these guys tie...

          May God have mercy on our souls.


          • #6
            If you say so. I'll make a choice.
            46 wins to match last year's total


            • #7
              Barry Bonds's biggest fan had the most productive career. One of the most underrated players of the last 25 years.
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              • #8
                Looks like Van Slyke is going to win. The poll ends tomorrow.


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