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  • Andy Van Slyke vs. Lloyd Moseby

    We're playing the "who is better than his most similar comparison" (on Baseball-Reference) game.

    My starting point was Tommy Dowd, the guy with the lowest WAR among all batters with at least 5,000 plate appearances. I hope to work my way up to *somebody* vs. Babe Ruth. That'd be cool.

    Which of these players would you like to build your franchise around?

    Van Slyke:

    1658 G
    6495 PA
    5711 AB
    835 R
    1562 H
    293 2B
    91 3B
    164 HR
    792 RBI
    245 SB
    59 CS
    667 BB
    1032 K
    .274 BA
    .349 OBP
    .443 SLG
    .793 OPS
    119 OPS+
    2529 TB
    94 GDP
    27 HBP
    12 SH
    61 SF
    55 IBB
    38.6 WAR


    1588 G
    6574 PA
    5815 AB
    869 R
    1494 H
    273 2B
    66 3B
    169 HR
    737 RBI
    280 SB
    92 CS
    616 BB
    1135 K
    .257 BA
    .332 OBP
    .414 SLG
    .746 OPS
    102 OPS+
    2406 TB
    105 GDP
    58 HBP
    40 SH
    45 SF
    46 IBB
    25.0 WAR

    If Van Slyke wins, he will face his fourth-most similar comp. If Moseby wins, he will face his fifth-most similar comp.

    Past face-offs (winner in bold):

    Tommy Dowd vs. Ned Hanlon (as a player)
    Ned Hanlon (as a player) vs. Joe Hornung
    Ned Hanlon (as a player) vs. Curt Welch
    Curt Welch vs. Blondie Purcell
    Curt Welch vs. Bob Bescher
    Curt Welch vs. George Pinkney
    Curt Welch vs. Joe Hornung
    Curt Welch vs. Rube Oldring
    Curt Welch vs. Solly Hofman
    Curt Welch vs. Tom York
    Curt Welch vs. George Case
    Curt Welch vs. Tommy Dowd
    Curt Welch vs. Charlie Hemphill
    Curt Welch vs. George Browne
    Curt Welch vs. Jack McCarthy
    Curt Welch vs. Shad Barry
    Curt Welch vs. Patsy Dougherty
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Carson Bigbee
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Jack Smith
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Johnny Bates - tie
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Johnny Bates vs. Cliff Heathcote vs. Mike Mitchell
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Lou Finney
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Whitey Witt
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Ducky Holmes
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Matty McIntyre
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Gene Richards
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Tom Goodwin
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Peanuts Lowrey
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Patsy Tebeau
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Billy Hatcher
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Red Murray
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Hi Myers
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Mike Kreevich
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Luis Polonia
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Darryl Hamilton
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Max Flack
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Al Bumbry
    Patsy Dougherty vs. Ron LeFlore
    Ron LeFlore vs. Mookie Wilson
    Ron LeFlore vs. Dan Gladden
    Ron LeFlore vs. Doug Glanville
    Ron LeFlore vs. Taylor Douthit
    Ron LeFlore vs. Terry Puhl
    Terry Puhl vs. Jerry Mumphrey
    Terry Puhl vs. Les Mann
    Terry Puhl vs. John Titus
    John Titus vs. Amos Strunk
    John Titus vs. Tommy Griffith
    John Titus vs. Elmer Valo
    Elmer Valo vs. Stan Javier
    Elmer Valo vs. Dave Martinez
    Elmer Valo vs. Tony Gonzalez
    Tony Gonzalez vs. Tillie Walker
    Tillie Walker vs. Roberto Kelly
    Tillie Walker vs. Al Cowens
    Tillie Walker vs. Wally Moon
    Wally Moon vs. Hank Bauer
    Hank Bauer vs. Al Smith
    Al Smith vs. Von Hayes (tie)
    Al Smith vs. Von Hayes vs. Matt Lawton vs. Andy Van Slyke
    Andy Van Slyke
    Lloyd Moseby

    The poll is expired.

  • #2
    Van Slyke is going to be tough to beat. Moseby's numbers are dragged down by just an awful slow start. His first 3 seasons (80-82) his OPS+ did not crack 90. Be that as it may there was nothing he did better than VanSlyke other than maybe hit for power and that would be by a whisker.


    • #3
      Van Slyke led the 1986 Cardinals in HR (13) and tied Tom Herr for the team lead in RBI (61)! Our only slugger, Jack Clark, was injured and only played in 65 games that season, so it was pretty pathetic numbers that led the team in between those World Series teams of '85 and '87. That was also a pretty big stadium, and possibly his power numbers would have been a bit better if he played elsewhere at the beginning of his career. Redbirds never should have traded him...

      Moseby was pretty good too, but I would certainly build my team around Andy van Slyke in CF!
      "It ain't braggin' if you can do it." Dizzy Dean


      • #4
        What makes Van Slyke that much better than Moseby? During their best years, they weren't too different. In fact, Moseby averaged more home runs and stolen bases per 162 games that Van Slyke did.


        • #5
          Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
          What makes Van Slyke that much better than Moseby? During their best years, they weren't too different. In fact, Moseby averaged more home runs and stolen bases per 162 games that Van Slyke did.
          He also averaged more caught stealing. Otherwise, Moseby crushes van Slyke in HBP, but the rest is all van Slyke. He has 5 fewer homers, but an edge in homers/PA and a bigger one in HR/out. He built up his big WAR lead a piece at a time: .81 to .75 SB%, more doubles, a lot more triples, about a 9% lead in BB average. There is nothing very dramatic, but it's all one side, with the result that van Slyke has 122 batting runs above average and Moseby 8.

          Moseby played in neutral parks, van Slyke in a slightly hostile one.

          But that makes sense when you think about it. They were both broad-based talents, good at everything, really. You wouldn't expect one to hammer the other in anything. But almost all the advantages went to van Slyke.

          I like them both a lot; they're the type of player I admire, and I wish they each had had more opportunities to do all those things they did well.
          Indeed the first step toward finding out is to acknowledge you do not satisfactorily know already; so that no blight can so surely arrest all intellectual growth as the blight of cocksureness.--CS Peirce


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