Announcement

Collapse

Updated Baseball Fever Policy

Baseball Fever Policy

I. Purpose of this announcement:

This announcement describes the policies pertaining to the operation of Baseball Fever.

Baseball Fever is a moderated baseball message board which encourages and facilitates research and information exchange among fans of our national pastime. The intent of the Baseball Fever Policy is to ensure that Baseball Fever remains an extremely high quality, extremely low "noise" environment.

Baseball Fever is administrated by three principal administrators:
webmaster - Baseball Fever Owner
The Commissioner - Baseball Fever Administrator
Macker - Baseball Fever Administrator

And a group of forum specific super moderators. The role of the moderator is to keep Baseball Fever smoothly and to screen posts for compliance with our policy. The moderators are ALL volunteer positions, so please be patient and understanding of any delays you might experience in correspondence.

II. Comments about our policy:

Any suggestions on this policy may be made directly to the webmaster.

III. Acknowledgments:

This document was based on a similar policy used by SABR.

IV. Requirements for participation on Baseball Fever:

Participation on Baseball Fever is available to all baseball fans with a valid email address, as verified by the forum's automated system, which then in turn creates a single validated account. Multiple accounts by a single user are prohibited.

By registering, you agree to adhere to the policies outlined in this document and to conduct yourself accordingly. Abuse of the forum, by repeated failure to abide by these policies, will result in your access being blocked to the forum entirely.

V. Baseball Fever Netiquette:

Participants at Baseball Fever are required to adhere to these principles, which are outlined in this section.
a. All posts to Baseball Fever should be written in clear, concise English, with proper grammar and accurate spelling. The use of abbreviations should be kept to a minimum; when abbreviation is necessary, they should be either well-known (such as etc.), or explained on their first use in your post.

b. Conciseness is a key attribute of a good post.

c. Quote only the portion of a post to which you are responding.

d. Standard capitalization and punctuation make a large difference in the readability of a post. TYPING IN ALL CAPITALS is considered to be "shouting"; it is a good practice to limit use of all capitals to words which you wish to emphasize.

e. It is our policy NOT to transmit any defamatory or illegal materials.

f. Personal attacks of any type against Baseball Fever readers will not be tolerated. In these instances the post will be copied by a moderator and/or administrator, deleted from the site, then sent to the member who made the personal attack via a Private Message (PM) along with a single warning. Members who choose to not listen and continue personal attacks will be banned from the site.

g. It is important to remember that many contextual clues available in face-to-face discussion, such as tone of voice and facial expression, are lost in the electronic forum. As a poster, try to be alert for phrasing that might be misinterpreted by your audience to be offensive; as a reader, remember to give the benefit of the doubt and not to take umbrage too easily. There are many instances in which a particular choice of words or phrasing can come across as being a personal attack where none was intended.

h. The netiquette described above (a-g) often uses the term "posts", but applies equally to Private Messages.

VI. Baseball Fever User Signature Policy

A signature is a piece of text that some members may care to have inserted at the end of ALL of their posts, a little like the closing of a letter. You can set and / or change your signature by editing your profile in the UserCP. Since it is visible on ALL your posts, the following policy must be adhered to:

Signature Composition
Font size limit: No larger than size 2 (This policy is a size 2)
Style: Bold and italics are permissible
Character limit: No more than 500 total characters
Lines: No more than 4 lines
Colors: Most colors are permissible, but those which are hard to discern against the gray background (yellow, white, pale gray) should be avoided
Images/Graphics: Allowed, but nothing larger than 20k and Content rules must be followed

Signature Content
No advertising is permitted
Nothing political or religious
Nothing obscene, vulgar, defamatory or derogatory
Links to personal blogs/websites are permissible - with the webmaster's written consent
A Link to your Baseball Fever Blog does not require written consent and is recommended
Quotes must be attributed. Non-baseball quotes are permissible as long as they are not religious or political

Please adhere to these rules when you create your signature. Failure to do so will result in a request to comply by a moderator. If you do not comply within a reasonable amount of time, the signature will be removed and / or edited by an Administrator. Baseball Fever reserves the right to edit and / or remove any or all of your signature line at any time without contacting the account holder.

VII. Appropriate and inappropriate topics for Baseball Fever:

Most concisely, the test for whether a post is appropriate for Baseball Fever is: "Does this message discuss our national pastime in an interesting manner?" This post can be direct or indirect: posing a question, asking for assistance, providing raw data or citations, or discussing and constructively critiquing existing posts. In general, a broad interpretation of "baseball related" is used.

Baseball Fever is not a promotional environment. Advertising of products, web sites, etc., whether for profit or not-for-profit, is not permitted. At the webmaster's discretion, brief one-time announcements for products or services of legitimate baseball interest and usefulness may be allowed. If advertising is posted to the site it will be copied by a moderator and/or administrator, deleted from the site, then sent to the member who made the post via a Private Message (PM) along with a single warning. Members who choose to not listen and continue advertising will be banned from the site. If the advertising is spam-related, pornography-based, or a "visit-my-site" type post / private message, no warning at all will be provided, and the member will be banned immediately without a warning.

It is considered appropriate to post a URL to a page which specifically and directly answers a question posted on the list (for example, it would be permissible to post a link to a page containing home-road splits, even on a site which has advertising or other commercial content; however, it would not be appropriate to post the URL of the main page of the site). The site reserves the right to limit the frequency of such announcements by any individual or group.

In keeping with our test for a proper topic, posting to Baseball Fever should be treated as if you truly do care. This includes posting information that is, to the best of your knowledge, complete and accurate at the time you post. Any errors or ambiguities you catch later should be acknowledged and corrected in the thread, since Baseball Fever is sometimes considered to be a valuable reference for research information.

VIII. Role of the moderator:

When a post is submitted to Baseball Fever, it is forwarded by the server automatically and seen immediately. The moderator may:
a. Leave the thread exactly like it was submitted. This is the case 95% of the time.

b. Immediately delete the thread as inappropriate for Baseball Fever. Examples include advertising, personal attacks, or spam. This is the case 1% of the time.

c. Move the thread. If a member makes a post about the Marlins in the Yankees forum it will be moved to the appropriate forum. This is the case 3% of the time.

d. Edit the message due to an inappropriate item. This is the case 1% of the time. There have been new users who will make a wonderful post, then add to their signature line (where your name / handle appears) a tagline that is a pure advertisement. This tagline will be removed, a note will be left in the message so he/she is aware of the edit, and personal contact will be made to the poster telling them what has been edited and what actions need to be taken to prevent further edits.

The moderators perform no checks on posts to verify factual or logical accuracy. While he/she may point out gross errors in factual data in replies to the thread, the moderator does not act as an "accuracy" editor. Also moderation is not a vehicle for censorship of individuals and/or opinions, and the moderator's decisions should not be taken personally.

IX. Legal aspects of participation in Baseball Fever:

By submitting a post to Baseball Fever, you grant Baseball Fever permission to distribute your message to the forum. Other rights pertaining to the post remain with the ORIGINAL author, and you may not redistribute or retransmit any posts by any others, in whole or in part, without the express consent of the original author.

The messages appearing on Baseball Fever contain the opinions and views of their respective authors and are not necessarily those of Baseball Fever, or of the Baseball Almanac family of sites.

Sincerely,

Sean Holtz, Webmaster of Baseball Almanac & Baseball Fever
www.baseball-almanac.com | www.baseball-fever.com
"Baseball Almanac: Sharing Baseball. Sharing History."
See more
See less

Tony Perez vs Fred McGriff

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Tony Perez vs Fred McGriff

    I'm going to run a series of polls with the winner advancing each time to face another opponent. Will leave each poll up for a week. I'll try to provide as much statistical information as possible. Hopefully we can get some lively insightful debates going and bring to light some overlooked players from yesteryear.
    If you could pick between these two players to start your franchise with which would you pick? Please consider all relavent information. Their careers as a whole, peak performance, hitting, fielding, baserunning, positional value, league quality, etc.

    Tony Perez

    2777 games
    10861 plate appearances
    9778 at-bats
    1272 runs
    2732 hits
    505 doubles
    79 triples
    379 home runs
    1652 RBI
    49 stolen bases
    33 caught stealing
    925 walks
    1867 strikeouts
    .279 AVG
    .341 OBP
    .463 SLG
    .804 OPS
    122 OPS+
    4532 total bases
    1524 runs created
    5.5 RC/G
    96 AIR
    .619 OW%
    .751 Total Average
    .280 Secondary Average
    347.2 Win Shares
    149.8 WSAB
    50.1 rWAR
    67.8 fWAR
    50.4 sWAR

    Fred McGriff

    2460 games
    10174 plate appearances
    8757 at-bats
    1349 runs
    2490 hits
    441 doubles
    24 triples
    493 home runs
    1550 RBI
    72 stolen bases
    38 caught stealing
    1305 walks
    1882 strikeouts
    .284 AVG
    .377 OBP
    .509 SLG
    .886 OPS
    134 OPS+
    4458 total bases
    1704 runs created
    6.9 RC/G
    105 AIR
    .662 OW%
    .894 Total Average
    .378 Secondary Average
    348.7 Win Shares
    176.3 WSAB
    48.2 rWAR
    61.0 fWAR
    48.1 sWAR

    Previous results

    Willie Montanez vs Dave Kingman
    Dave Kingman vs Dante Bichette
    Dave Kingman vs Jose Guillen
    Dave Kingman vs Dave Philley
    Dave Kingman vs Shano Collins
    Dave Kingman vs Eric Karros
    Dave Kingman vs Charlie Grimm
    Charlie Grimm vs Juan Gonzalez
    Juan Gonzalez vs Bill Buckner
    Juan Gonzalez vs Ruben Sierra
    Juan Gonzalez vs Gee Walker
    Juan Gonzalez vs Patsy Donovan
    Juan Gonzalez vs Joe Carter
    Juan Gonzalez vs Tommy Davis
    Juan Gonzalez vs Charlie Jamieson
    Juan Gonzalez vs Jeff Conine
    Juan Gonzalez vs Hal Chase
    Juan Gonzalez vs Lee May
    Juan Gonzalez vs Joe Kuhel
    Juan Gonzalez vs Willie Horton
    Juan Gonzalez vs Chris Chambliss
    Juan Gonzalez vs Hal McRae
    Juan Gonzalez vs Andres Galarraga
    Juan Gonzalez vs George Hendrick
    Juan Gonzalez vs Garret Anderson
    Juan Gonzalez vs George Burns
    Juan Gonzalez vs Wally Moses
    Juan Gonzalez vs Del Ennis
    Juan Gonzalez vs Don Baylor
    Juan Gonzalez vs Shawn Green
    Juan Gonzalez vs Stuffy McInnis
    Juan Gonzalez vs Wally Pipp
    Juan Gonzalez vs Gary Matthews
    Juan Gonzalez vs Bobby Bonilla
    Juan Gonzalez vs Mickey Vernon
    Mickey Vernon vs Jose Canseco
    Mickey Vernon vs Carlos Delgado
    Carlos Delgado vs B.J. Surhoff
    Carlos Delgado vs Ken Griffey Sr
    Carlos Delgado vs Wally Joyner
    Carlos Delgado vs Cecil Cooper
    Carlos Delgado vs Jim Bottomley
    Carlos Delgado vs Harold Baines
    Carlos Delgado vs Chili Davis
    Carlos Delgado vs Steve Garvey
    Carlos Delgado vs Magglio Ordonez
    Carlos Delgado vs Paul O'Neil
    Carlos Delgado vs Dave Parker
    Carlos Delgado vs Moises Alou
    Carlos Delgado vs Jake Daubert
    Carlos Delgado vs George J Burns
    Carlos Delgado vs Felipe Alou
    Carlos Delgado vs Don Mattingly
    Carlos Delgado vs Hugh Duffy
    Carlos Delgado vs Al Oliver
    Carlos Delgado vs Dixie Walker
    Carlos Delgado vs Fred Tenney
    Carlos Delgado vs Chuck Klein
    Carlos Delgado vs Heinie Manush
    Carlos Delgado vs Rusty Staub
    Carlos Delgado vs Joe Judge
    Carlos Delgado vs Mark Grace
    Carlos Delgado vs Ed Konetchy
    Carlos Delgado vs Bobby Veach
    Carlos Delgado vs Jim Rice
    Jim Rice vs Jason Giambi
    Jim Rice vs Lou Brock
    Jim Rice vs Fred McGriff
    Fred McGriff vs Sam Rice
    Fred McGriff vs Luis Gonzalez
    Fred McGriff vs Jim O'Rourke
    15
    Tony Perez
    20.00%
    3
    Fred McGriff
    80.00%
    12

    The poll is expired.

    My dream ballpark dimensions
    LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
    RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
    Location....San Diego

  • #2
    I know I've asked you before but what are the three WAR totals?

    Comment


    • #3
      Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
      I know I've asked you before but what are the three WAR totals?
      rWAR = baseball reference
      fWAR = fan graphs
      sWAR = seamheads
      My dream ballpark dimensions
      LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
      RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
      Location....San Diego

      Comment


      • #4
        I would take Perez. Playing thirdbase and leadership takes it.

        I think this is the first time where I picked against the majority.
        Last edited by chicagowhitesox1173; 02-11-2013, 03:56 PM.
        "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

        "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by chicagowhitesox1173 View Post
          I would take Perez. Playing thirdbase and leadership takes it.

          I think this is the first time where I picked against the majority.
          Not a Perez fan, but I agree with ya.
          "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

          Comment


          • #6
            Went with Fred, ask me another time it's just as likely Perez.

            Comment


            • #7
              Close to the same, in my mind. I gave mcGriff a tiny edge to to vastly superior postseason numbers, but a case could be made for either. Both fall into my "I probably wouldn't put them into the HOF if I had a vote, but certainly wouldn't shed any tears or waste any ink complaining if they did" group.
              1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

              1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

              1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


              The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
              The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post
                Close to the same, in my mind. I gave mcGriff a tiny edge to to vastly superior postseason numbers, but a case could be made for either. Both fall into my "I probably wouldn't put them into the HOF if I had a vote, but certainly wouldn't shed any tears or waste any ink complaining if they did" group.
                Your IPWPTITHoFIIHAVBCWSATOWAICITD group. They'd fall into mine too.
                "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
                  Your IPWPTITHoFIIHAVBCWSATOWAICITD group. They'd fall into mine too.
                  I have actually designated 36 players into that group.

                  That is opposed to 41 players who are in my "I probably would put them into the HOF if I had a vote, but certainly wouldn't shed any tears or waste any ink complaining if they weren't (better grammar, I guess)" group.
                  Last edited by Bothrops Atrox; 02-11-2013, 06:05 PM.
                  1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

                  1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

                  1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


                  The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
                  The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post
                    I have actually designated 36 players into that group.

                    That is opposed to 41 players who are in my "I probably would put them into the HOF if I had a vote, but certainly wouldn't shed any tears or waste any ink complaining if they weren't (better grammar, I guess)" group.
                    I wasn't mocking your grammar. I was just amused by the extensive name of the group so I made the equally extensive abbreviation. Not that I could think of a better one, lol. Just clowning around.

                    I really do agree with ya on the players. Although I do support McGriff a lot. He'd fall in between my IPWPTITHoFIIHAVBCWSATOWAICITD group and my IPWPTITHoFIIHAVBCWSATOWAICITW group.
                    "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
                      I wasn't mocking your grammar. I was just amused by the extensive name of the group so I made the equally extensive abbreviation. Not that I could think of a better one, lol. Just clowning around.

                      I really do agree with ya on the players. Although I do support McGriff a lot. He'd fall in between my IPWPTITHoFIIHAVBCWSATOWAICITD group and my IPWPTITHoFIIHAVBCWSATOWAICITW group.
                      Actually, I was talking about my own grammar - I should have used "were" instead of "did" in the first post and corrected it in the second. I like the acronym, personally.
                      1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

                      1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

                      1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


                      The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
                      The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sockeye View Post
                        rWAR = baseball reference
                        fWAR = fan graphs
                        sWAR = seamheads
                        thanks.
                        I went with McGriff. Perez was very good and part of the Big Red Machine, but not really among the very best in his league other than probably 68, 69 (or 69,70 I didn't back check). McGriff was closer to the top of the league from @88-93.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          McGriff. Only because the aforementioned 88'-94' period. We forget this now, but McGriff was baseball's home run leader in the five year period before steroids took off:

                          1. Fred Mcriff: 171
                          2. Mark McGwire: 169
                          3. Jose Canseco: 156
                          4. Joe Carter: 153
                          5. Ryne Sandberg: 142
                          6. Cecil Fielder: 139
                          7. Darryl Strawberry: 138
                          8. Kevin Mitchell: 137
                          9. Barry Bonds: 135
                          10. Howard Johnson: 128
                          "I am not too serious about anything. I believe you have to enjoy yourself to get the most out of your ability."-
                          George Brett

                          Comment

                          Working...
                          X