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    Here is at long last my top 1000 HOF worthy players of all time. I'll reveal the list in reverse order 100 or more at time as time permits. Hopefully this will allow for some good discussion on the lower ranking and/or still active players. Please note this is based on major league playing career only. No Negro league, Japan, Mexico, or PCL careers are considered.

    1. Walter Johnson
    2. Ty Cobb
    3. Stan Musial
    4. Babe Ruth
    5. Cy Young
    6. Rogers Hornsby
    7. Hank Aaron
    8. Honus Wagner
    9. Christy Mathewson
    10. Ted Williams
    11. Pete Alexander
    12. Roger Clemens
    13. Willie Mays
    14. Barry Bonds
    15. Lou Gehrig
    16. Warren Spahn
    17. Greg Maddux
    18. Randy Johnson
    19. Alex Rodriguez
    20. Jimmie Foxx
    21. Nap Lajoie
    22. Lefty Grove
    23. Mickey Mantle
    24. Tim Keefe
    25. Tom Seaver
    26. Tris Speaker
    27. Steve Carlton
    28. Albert Pujols
    29. Cap Anson
    30. Mel Ott
    31. Nolan Ryan
    32. Ed Delahanty
    33. John Clarkson
    34. Kid Nichols
    35. Pete Rose
    36. Miguel Cabrera
    37. Frank Robinson
    38. Mike Schmidt
    39. Pedro Martinez
    40. Carl Yastrzemski
    41. Joe Dimaggio
    42. Paul Waner
    43. Dan Brouthers
    44. Old Hoss Radbourn
    45. Whitey Ford
    46. Charlie Gehringer
    47. Bob Feller
    48. Jim Palmer
    49. Carl Hubbell
    50. Eddie Collins
    51. Gaylord Perry
    52. Al Simmons
    53. Jim McCormick
    54. Tony Gwynn
    55. Al Spalding
    56. George Brett
    57. Harry Heilmann
    58. Juan Marichal
    59. Joe Medwick
    60. Mordecai Brown
    61. Joe McGinnity
    62. Johnny Mize
    63. Ken Griffey Jr
    64. Sam Thompson
    65. Jesse Burkett
    66. Chuck Klein
    67. Pud Galvin
    68. Rod Carew
    69. Bobby Mathews
    70. Robin Roberts
    71. Frank Thomas
    72. Phil Niekro
    73. Tom Glavine
    74. Ed Walsh
    75. Wade Boggs
    76. Curt Schilling
    77. Reggie Jackson
    78. Sandy Koufax
    79. Sam Crawford
    80. Fergie Jenkins
    81. Hank Greenberg
    82. Bob Gibson
    83. Eddie Plank
    84. Manny Ramirez
    85. Early Wynn
    86. Tony Mullane
    87. Tommy Bond
    88. George Sisler
    89. Rickey Henderson
    90. Amos Rusie
    91. Roger Connor
    92. John Smoltz
    93. David Ortiz
    94. Harmon Killebrew
    95. Duke Snider
    96. Roberto Clemente
    97. Roy Halladay
    98. Jeff Bagwell
    99. Hugh Duffy
    100. Rube Waddell
    101. Paul Molitor
    102. Sammy Sosa
    103. Ichiro Suzuki
    104. Ernie Banks
    105. Willie Keeler
    106. Jim Rice
    107. Will White
    108. Billy Hamilton
    109. Don Drysdale
    110. Arky Vaughan
    111. Eddie Mathews
    112. Vic Willis
    113. Clayton Kershaw
    114. Al Kaline
    115. Burleigh Grimes
    116. Mike Mussina
    117. Chief Bender
    118. Todd Helton
    119. Jim O'Rourke
    120. Hal Newhouser
    121. Bert Blyleven
    122. Lou Brock
    123. Jim Bunning
    124. Cal Ripken
    125. Lefty Gomez
    126. Bob Caruthers
    127. Catfish Hunter
    128. Eddie Cicotte
    129. Larry Walker
    130. Justin Verlander
    131. Richie Ashburn
    132. Bob Lemon
    133. Dave Parker
    134. Goose Goslin
    135. Derek Jeter
    136. Carl Mays
    137. Jack Morris
    138. Billy Williams
    139. Ralph Kiner
    140. Joe Morgan
    141. Eddie Murray
    142. CC Sabathia
    143. Mark McGwire
    144. Stan Coveleski
    145. Frankie Frisch
    146. Willie McCovey
    147. Dazzy Vance
    148. Harry Stovey
    149. Kiki Cuyler
    150. Dick Allen
    151. Sam Rice
    152. Albert Belle
    153. Heinie Manush
    154. Don Sutton
    155. Dale Murphy
    156. Craig Biggio
    157. Rafael Palmeiro
    158. Ron Guidry
    159. Shoeless Joe Jackson
    160. Kirby Puckett
    161. Jim Bottomley
    162. David Cone
    163. Larry Corcoran
    164. Dizzy Dean
    165. Bill Terry
    166. Jim Thome
    167. Edgar Martinez
    168. Silver King
    169. Orlando Cepeda
    170. Jack Chesbro
    171. John Ward
    172. Kevin Brown
    173. Ryne Sandberg
    174. King Kelly
    175. Sam Leever
    176. Red Ruffing
    177. Hippo Vaughn
    178. Jim Kaat
    179. Robin Yount
    180. Johnny Bench
    181. Addie Joss
    182. Red Faber
    183. Nellie Fox
    184. Andre Dawson
    185. Dwight Gooden
    186. Willie Stargell
    187. Home Run Baker
    188. Tip O'Neill
    189. Pete Browning
    190. Allie Reynolds
    191. Tony Oliva
    192. Vladimir Guerrero
    193. Billy Pierce
    194. Bobby Veach
    195. Hack Wilson
    196. Max Carey
    197. Ed Morris
    198. Al Oliver
    199. Mickey Lolich
    200. Jim Whitney
    201. Sherry Magee
    202. Juan Gonzalez
    203. Jason Giambi
    204. Mickey Welch
    205. Adrian Beltre
    206. Dave Winfield
    207. Carlos Delgado
    208. Jose Canseco
    209. Fred McGriff
    210. Gary Sheffield
    211. Chipper Jones
    212. Mike Piazza
    213. Mark Teixeira
    214. Alfonso Soriano
    215. Carlos Beltran
    216. Andruw Jones
    217. Darrell Evans
    218. Adam Dunn
    219. Paul Konerko
    220. Dave Kingman
    HOF CUTOFF..............
    221. Andres Galarraga
    222. Tim Raines
    223. Don Mattingly
    224. David Wells
    225. Zack Wheat
    226. Bucky Walters
    227. Minnie Minoso
    228. George Mullin
    229. Johan Santana
    230. Tommy John
    231. Lon Warneke
    232. Enos Slaughter
    233. Vada Pinson
    234. Ed Reulbach
    235. Deacon Phillippe
    236. Herb Pennock
    237. Lew Burdette
    238. Orel Hershiser
    239. Ross Barnes
    240. Luke Appling
    241. Paul Derringer
    242. Felix Hernandez
    243. Vern Stephens
    244. Ted Lyons
    245. Wilbur Cooper
    246. Candy Cummings
    247. Guy Hecker
    248. Jack Powell
    249. Steve Garvey
    250. Ryan Braun
    251. Matt Holliday
    252. Ron Santo
    253. Billy Herman
    254. Brooks Robinson
    255. Luis Aparicio
    256. Earl Averill
    257. Elmer Flick
    258. Jimmy Ryan
    259. Max Scherzer
    260. Luis Tiant
    261. Fred Clarke
    262. Bob Elliott
    263. Dave Foutz
    264. George Foster
    265. George Van Haltren
    266. Mike Tiernan
    267. Deacon White
    268. Tommy Bridges
    269. Clark Griffith
    270. Miguel Tejada
    271. Dennis Martinez
    272. Mike Trout
    273. Waite Hoyt
    274. Dwight Evans
    275. Bartolo Colon
    276. Urban Shocker
    277. Babe Adams
    278. George Kell
    279. Jimmy Rollins
    280. Joe Cronin
    281. Rocky Colavito
    282. Mickey Vernon
    283. Dennis Eckersley
    284. Mort Cooper
    285. Tim Hudson
    286. Bret Saberhagen
    287. Cliff Lee
    288. Mike Cuellar
    289. Eppa Rixey
    290. Edd Roush
    291. Paul Hines
    292. Nomar Garciaparra
    293. Don Newcombe
    294. Bill Donovan
    295. Dick McBride
    296. Yogi Berra
    297. Will Clark
    298. Keith Hernandez
    299. George J Burns
    300. Stan Hack
    301. Vida Blue
    302. Rube Marquard
    303. Joey Votto
    304. Andy Pettitte
    305. Lance Berkman
    306. Harvey Kuenn
    307. Larry Doby
    308. Jackie Robinson
    309. Sam McDowell
    310. Charlie Buffinton
    311. Ken Williams
    312. Doc White
    313. George Bradley
    314. Zack Greinke
    315. Frank Lary
    316. Noodles Hahn
    317. Smoky Joe Wood
    318. Dixie Walker
    319. Adam Wainwright
    320. Bob Shawkey
    321. Brett Butler
    322. Robinson Cano
    323. George Gore
    324. Bob Welch
    325. Ernie Lombardi
    326. Al Rosen
    327. Rudy York
    328. Michael Young
    329. Roy Oswalt
    330. Jack Stivetts
    331. Joe Torre
    332. Hoyt Wilhelm
    333. Cecil Cooper
    334. Roberto Alomar
    335. Bob Johnson
    336. Pee Wee Reese
    337. Jimmy Key
    338. Bobby Doerr
    339. Charlie Root
    340. Denny McLain
    341. Wes Ferrell
    342. Dave Orr
    343. Jake Beckley
    344. Kenny Lofton
    345. Cy Williams
    346. Dante Bichette
    347. Fernando Valenzuela
    348. Dave Stieb
    349. Jose Reyes
    350. Dave McNally
    351. Spud Chandler
    352. Joe Kelley
    353. Larry Doyle
    354. Lou Boudreau
    355. Bobo Newsom
    356. Joe Carter
    357. Magglio Ordonez
    358. Jack Quinn
    359. Ginger Beaumont
    360. Andy Messersmith
    361. Prince Fielder
    362. Red Schoendienst
    363. Jeff Tesreau
    364. Gus Weyhing
    365. Pie Traynor
    366. Maury Wills
    367. Ryan Howard
    368. Jack Coombs
    369. Bobby Abreu
    370. Bill Hutchinson
    371. Fred Lynn
    372. George Davis
    373. Dustin Pedroia
    374. Frank Howard
    375. Dolph Camilli
    376. Bob Meusel
    377. Ken Boyer
    378. Jackie Jensen
    379. Adrian Gonzalez
    380. Bobby Bonds
    381. Jesse Tannehill
    382. Bill Dahlen
    383. Chris Carpenter
    384. Jimmy Sheckard
    385. Slim Sallee
    386. Ted Simmons
    387. Lefty O'Doul
    388. Jered Weaver
    389. Freddie Fitzsimmons
    390. Bob Friend
    391. Eddie Lopat
    392. David Price
    393. Earle Combs
    394. Johnny Pesky
    395. Mark Baldwin
    396. Mickey Cochrane
    397. Harry Brecheen
    398. Dom DiMaggio
    399. Tony Perez
    400. Herman Long
    401. Benny Kauff
    402. Jake Peavy
    403. Claude Hendrix
    404. Camilo Pascual
    405. Barry Larkin
    406. Babe Herman
    407. Mark Buehrle
    408. Sadie McMahon
    409. Frank Viola
    410. Jim Perry
    411. Frank McCormick
    412. Gavvy Cravath
    413. Ed McKean
    414. Firpo Marberry
    415. Gary Carter
    416. Vic Raschi
    417. Lloyd Waner
    418. Tex Hughson
    419. Ben Chapman
    420. Jeff Kent
    421. Jon Lester
    422. Jake Daubert
    423. Jack Fournier
    424. Al Orth
    425. Mark Langston
    426. Ted Kluszewski
    427. Hal Trosky
    428. Ross Youngs
    429. Dolf Luque
    430. Hardy Richardson
    431. Dean Chance
    432. Bernie Williams
    433. General Crowder
    424. Cal McVey
    425. Frank Tanana
    426. Doc Cramer
    427. Wally Berger
    428. Gabby Hartnett
    429. Reggie Smith
    430. Bert Campaneris
    431. Sal Maglie
    432. Mariano Rivera
    433. Bill Dickey
    434. Gil Hodges
    435. Johnny Damon
    436. Harry Davis
    437. George Zettlein
    438. Luis Gonzalez
    439. Ray Kremer
    440. Bill Madlock
    441. J.R. Richard
    442. Ivan Rodriguez
    443. Earl Moore
    444. George Uhle
    445. Heinie Zimmerman
    446. Chuck Finley
    447. Frank Chance
    448. Bill Buckner
    449. Hanley Ramirez
    450. Chick Hafey
    451. Bid McPhee
    452. Joe Gordon
    453. Art Nehf
    454. Dizzy Trout
    455. Jose Bautista
    456. Del Pratt
    457. Roy Campanella
    458. Darryl Strawberry
    459. Donie Bush
    458. Rick Reuschel
    459. Augie Galan
    460. Cupid Childs
    461. Larry Jackson
    462. Lip Pike
    463. Bill Lee
    464. Larry Cheney
    465. Jerry Koosman
    466. Jack Glasscock
    467. Dave Stewart
    468. Frank Smith
    469. Juan Pierre
    470. Bill Nicholson
    471. Johnny Sain
    472. Virgil Trucks
    473. Mel Stottlemyre
    474. Roy Sievers
    475. Tim Lincecum
    476. Jamie Moyer
    477. Wilbur Wood
    478. Carlton Fisk
    479. John McGraw
    480. John Reilly
    481. David Wright
    482. Eddie Yost
    483. Rusty Staub
    484. Eddie Rommel
    485. Charlie Hough
    486. Mike Garcia
    487. Norm Cash
    488. Del Ennis
    489. Red Ames
    490. Milt Pappas
    491. Claude Passeau
    492. Cecil Fielder
    493. Cy Seymour
    494. Denny Lyons
    495. Joe Sewell
    496. Tommy Holmes
    497. Oyster Burns
    498. Cole Hamels
    499. Buddy Myer
    500. Jeff Pfeffer
    501. Ruben Sierra
    502. Matt Kilroy
    503. Carlos Zambrano
    504. Mike Donlin
    505. Dutch J Leonard
    506. Moises Alou
    507. Mike Scott
    508. Charley Jones
    509. Mo Vaughn
    510. Levi Meyerle
    511. Bob Turley
    512. Hooks Dauss
    513. Derrek Lee
    514. Al Leiter
    515. Roger Maris
    516. Orval Overall
    517. Mark Grace
    518. Bobby Bonilla
    519. Johnny Antonelli
    520. Steve Rogers
    521. John Olerud
    522. Buck Freeman
    523. Tony Lazzeri
    524. Jack W Taylor
    525. Jack Clark
    526. Omar Vizquel
    527. George H Burns
    528. John Lackey
    529. Willie Wilson
    530. Jim Edmonds
    531. Paul Goldschmidt
    532. Matt Williams
    533. Pat Malone
    534. Lave Cross
    535. Alan Trammell
    536. Tommy Leach
    537. Julio Franco
    538. Frank Killen
    539. Ozzie Smith
    540. Bill Dinneen
    541. Charlie Ferguson
    542. Jimmy Collins
    543. Irish Meusel
    544. John Candelaria
    545. Jim Bagby Sr
    546. Cherokee Fisher
    547. Willie McGee
    548. Hughie Jennings
    549. Tom Brown
    550. Lou Whitaker
    551. Edgar Renteria
    552. Hugh Daily
    553. Buck Ewing
    554. Joe Niekro
    555. Jason Kendall
    556. Scott Rolen
    560. Jorge Posada
    561. Jesse Haines
    562. Hal McRae
    563. Rollie Fingers
    564. Pedro Guerrero
    565. Preacher Roe
    566. Snuffy Stirnweiss
    567. Larry French
    568. Toad Ramsey
    569. Pete Donohue
    570. Rick Sutcliffe
    571. Kenny Rogers
    572. Mel Parnell
    573. Lady Baldwin
    574. Lee Smith
    575. Don Baylor
    576. Jack Tobin
    577. Rick Ferrell
    578. Aramis Ramirez
    579. Dutch B Leonard
    580. Steve Finley
    581. Jerry Reuss
    582. Mel Harder
    583. Sad Sam Jones
    584. Chuck Knoblauch
    585. Harry Hooper
    586. Sam Jones
    587. Ellis Burks
    588. Hooks Wiltse
    589. Dale Alexander
    590. Dick Donovan
    591. High Pockets Kelly
    592. Matt Kemp
    593. Jose Altuve
    594. Madison Bumgarner
    595. Frank Schulte
    596. Dummy Hoy
    597. Johnny Vander Meer
    598. Nap Rucker
    599. Johnny Allen
    600. Ted Breitenstein
    601. Adonis Terry
    602. Abner Dalrymple
    603. Heinie Groh
    604. Greg Luzinski
    605. Amos Otis
    606. Schoolboy Rowe
    607. Lance Parrish
    608. Larry Jansen
    609. Willie Randolph
    610. Bug Holliday
    611. Russ Ford
    612. George Earnshaw
    613. Joe Vosmik
    614. Roy Thomas
    615. Harold Baines
    616. Charlie Keller
    617. Vinny Castilla
    618. Francisco Rodriguez
    619. Shawn Green
    620. Guy Bush
    621. Johnny Cueto
    622. Victor Martinez
    623. A.J. Pierzynski
    624. Bruce Sutter
    625. Jim Maloney
    626. Chris Sale
    627. Derek Lowe
    628. Gary Peters
    629. Dan Quisenberry
    630. Nig Cuppy
    631. Tommy Henrich
    632. Dave Bancroft
    633. Carlos Lee
    634. Dick Groat
    635. Josh Hamilton
    636. Hal Chase
    637. Garret Anderson
    638. Bill Doak
    639. Yadier Molina
    640. Brian Giles
    641. Chase Utley
    642. Jim Devlin
    643. Dennis Leonard
    644. Paul O'Neill
    645. Bullet Joe Bush
    646. Van Mungo
    647. Dave Concepcion
    648. John Franco
    649. Rich Gossage
    650. Benito Santiago
    651. Fred Dunlap
    652. Graig Nettles
    653. Jim Wynn
    654. Baby Doll Jacobson
    655. Claude Osteen
    656. Mike Griffin
    657. Joe Nathan
    658. Fred Goldsmith
    659. Arlie Latham
    660. Brandon Webb
    661. Pink Hawley
    662. Bobby Grich
    663. Fred Toney
    664. Ralph Terry
    665. Al Dark
    666. Topsy Hartsel
    667. Livan Hernandez
    668. Tony Fernandez
    669. Carl Furillo
    670. George Scott
    671. Barry Zito
    672. Tommy Davis
    673. Walker Cooper
    674. Javy Lopez
    675. Jack McDowell
    676. Thurman Munson
    677. Pete Runnels
    678. Trevor Hoffman
    679. Bobby Shantz
    680. Bump Hadley
    681. Henry Larkin
    682. George Wright
    683. Kirby Higbe
    684. Randy Myers
    685. Bill Sherdel
    686. Whit Wyatt
    687. Ray Durham
    688. Craig Kimbrel
    689. Red Lucas
    690. Dick Bartell
    691. Jake Stenzel
    692. Pat Hentgen
    693. Luis Castillo
    694. Ice Box Chamberlain
    695. Ewell Blackwell
    696. Joe Mauer
    697. James Shields
    698. Torii Hunter
    699. Bill Freehan
    700. Howie Camnitz
    701. Lee Meadows
    702. Sherm Lollar
    703. Doug Drabek
    704. Wally Schang
    705. Matty Alou
    706. Hank Sauer
    707. George Stone
    708. Buddy Bell
    709. Sal Bando
    710. Ken Raffensberger
    711. Red Rolfe
    712. George Case
    713. Curtis Granderson
    714. Curt Simmons
    715. Rip Sewell
    716. Patsy Donovan
    717. Carl Crawford
    718. Cesar Cedeno
    719. Darrell Porter
    720. Bob Boone
    721. Boog Powell
    722. Hideo Nomo
    723. Freddy Garcia
    724. Wally Pipp
    725. Riggs Stephenson
    726. Gary Nolan
    727. Phil Cavarretta
    728. Willie Davis
    729. Gil McDougald
    730. Pretzels Getzien
    731. Bill White
    732. Don Gullett
    733. Vic Wertz
    734. Billy Wagner
    735. Del Crandall
    736. Cy Falkenberg
    737. Nolan Arenado
    738. Ian Kinsler
    739. Howie Pollet
    740. Rafael Furcal
    741. Bret Boone
    742. Troy Glaus
    743. Rabbit Maranville
    744. Jose Rijo
    745. Howard Johnson
    746. Troy Tulowitzki
    747. Ken Singleton
    748. Spud Davis
    749. Deacon McGuire
    750. Ron Cey
    751. Ralph Garr
    752. Mike Marshall
    753. Roy Face
    754. Harlond Clift
    755. Jason Varitek
    756. Larry Benton
    757. Ken Holtzman
    758. Jesse Barnes
    759. Tony Phillips
    760. Smoky Burgess
    761. Brickyard Kennedy
    762. Miller Huggins
    763. Watty Clark
    764. Johnny Morrison
    765. Andrew McCutchen
    766. Tommy McCarthy
    767. Tony Armas
    768. Ripper Collins
    769. Ed Konetchy
    770. Johnny Podres
    771. Brad Ausmus
    772. Kevin Appier
    773. Steve Sax
    774. Ed Swartwood
    775. Charlie Jamieson
    776. Brian McCann
    777. Freddie Lindstrom
    778. Gary Gaetti
    779. Cecil Travis
    780. Tony Pena
    781. Bobby Murcer
    782. Kevin Millwood
    783. Jason Schmidt
    784. Wally Moses
    785. John Roseboro
    786. Jim Sundberg
    787. Dan Haren
    788. Eddie Stanky
    789. Chris Davis
    790. Bobby Wallace
    791. Bill Lange
    792. Pete Reiser
    793. Mario Soto
    794. Carlos Gonzalez
    795. Ted Wilks
    796. Jose Valverde
    797. Kevin Mitchell
    798. Marquis Grissom
    799. Jake Arrieta
    800. Chick Stahl
    801. Ned Williamson
    802. Dick Rudolph
    803. Felipe Alou
    804. Mark Mulder
    805. Frank Sullivan
    806. Chicken Wolf
    807. Sparky Lyle
    808. Phil Rizzuto
    809. Bill Joyce
    810. Bill Hallahan
    811. Jeff Heath
    812. Roy White
    813. Bobby Richardson
    814. Marty McManus
    815. George Pipgras
    816. Josh Beckett
    817. Nick Etten
    818. Pepper Martin
    819. Jack Pfiester
    820. Tom York
    821. Corey Kluber
    822. Curt Davis
    823. R.A. Dickey
    824. George Hall
    825. Scott Stratton
    826. Jose Cruz
    827. Garry Templeton
    828. Jim Gilliam
    829. George Bell
    830. Jack Sanford
    831. Ellis Kinder
    832. Jonathan Papelbon
    833. Jose Mesa
    834. Mike Smith
    835. Clyde Milan
    836. Billy Rhines
    837. Sid Fernandez
    838. Muddy Ruel
    839. Mike Sweeney
    840. Curt Flood
    841. Stuffy McInnis
    842. Tim Salmon
    843. Joe Start
    844. Reb Russell
    845. Lenny Dykstra
    846. Chili Davis
    847. Thornton Lee
    848. Jeff Reardon
    849. Jim J Hughes
    850. Javier Vazquez
    851. Randy Jones
    852. Mike Flanagan
    853. Lindy McDaniel
    854. Bob Buhl
    855. Scott Erickson
    856. Buster Posey
    857. Dave Davenport
    858. Ken Griffey
    859. Bob Bescher
    860. Socks Seybold
    861. Ray Schalk
    862. Elston Howard
    863. Jim Lonborg
    864. Harry Steinfeldt
    865. Jake Weimer
    866. Nick Maddox
    867. Wilcy Moore
    868. Howard Ehmke
    869. Todd Worrell
    870. Duke Farrell
    871. Josh Donaldson
    872. Herb Score
    873. Stump Weidman
    874. Edwin Encarnacion
    875. Joaquin Andujar
    876. Frankie Crosetti
    877. David Justice
    878. Al Lopez
    879. Fred Pfeffer
    880. Fred Hutchinson
    881. Russell Martin
    882. Bing Miller
    883. Bryce Harper
    884. Sam Gray
    885. Joe Kuhel
    886. Jack B Taylor
    887. LaMarr Hoyt
    888. Tom Seaton
    889. Roger Peckinpaugh
    890. Jon Matlack
    891. Cesar Tovar
    892. Hal Schumacher
    893. Roberto Hernandez
    894. Patsy Dougherty
    895. Murry Dickson
    896. Rube Walberg
    897. Chief Wilson
    898. Tim Wakefield
    899. Bill Hoffer
    900. George Grantham
    901. Bill Sweeney
    902. A.J. Burnett
    903. Terry Pendleton
    904. Troy Percival
    905. Lance Johnson
    906. Tommy Thomas
    907. Rick Aguilera
    908. Jim Shaw
    909. Greg Vaughn
    910. Aaron Harang
    911. Matt Carpenter
    912. Ron Perranoski
    913. Jon Lieber
    914. Dave Righetti
    915. Gerry Staley
    916. Frank Dwyer
    917. Steve O'Neill
    918. Vean Gregg
    919. Toby Harrah
    920. Bob Allison
    921. Ron Gant
    922. Earl Whitehill
    923. Gene Tenace
    924. Darren Daulton
    925. Gorman Thomas
    926. Tim Wallach
    927. Nat Hudson
    928. Vern Law
    929. John Tudor
    930. Frank White
    931. Lefty Leifield
    932. Frankie Hayes
    933. Jim Turner
    934. John Wetteland
    935. Jermaine Dye
    936. Mark Grudzielanek
    937. John Anderson
    938. Rusty Greer
    939. Mike McCormick
    940. Carl Erskine
    941. Burt Hooton
    942. Bill Gullickson
    943. Dee Gordon
    944. Bill Bruton
    945. Vince Coleman
    946. Johnny Murphy
    947. Harry Wright
    948. Irv Young
    949. Robb Nen
    950. Ed Bailey
    951. Brian Downing
    952. Joe Judge
    953. Jimmie Wilson
    954. Francisco Cordero
    955. Todd Jones
    956. Billy Nash
    957. Eric Davis
    958. Tiny Bonham
    959. Sam Mertes
    960. Hick Carpenter
    961. Stephen Strasburg
    962. Lee May
    963. Justin Morneau
    964. Danny Murphy
    965. Whitey Kurowski
    966. Huston Street
    967. Bob Fothergill
    968. Ramon Hernandez
    969. Mike Boddicker
    970. Harry Coveleski
    971. Terry Steinbach
    972. Jim Hegan
    973. Billy Werber
    974. Denny Neagle
    975. Harry Lumley
    976. Barney McCosky
    977. Harvey Haddix
    978. Win Mercer
    979. John Denny
    980. Stu Miller
    981. Elmer Riddle
    982. Placido Polanco
    983. Orlando Cabrera
    984. Larry Bowa
    985. Robin Ventura
    986. Phil Douglas
    987. Bill Mazeroski
    988. Jason Isringhausen
    989. Doug Jones
    990. Lefty Tyler
    991. Fred Tenney
    992. Fred Luderus
    993. Fritz Peterson
    994. George Mogridge
    995. Carl Lundgren
    996. Dave Cash
    997. Gus Zernial
    998. Raul Ibanez
    999. Jeff Burroughs
    1000. Bill Walker
    1000. Tino Martinez
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Sockeye View Post
    Here is at long last my top 1000 HOF worthy players of all time. I'll reveal the list in reverse order 100 or more at time as time permits. Hopefully this will allow for some good discussion on the lower ranking and/or still active players. Please note this is based on major league playing career only. No Negro league, Japan, Mexico, or PCL careers are considered.

    919. Toby Harrah
    923. Gene Tenace
    950. Ed Bailey
    951. Brian Downing
    971. Terry Steinbach
    985. Robin Ventura
    Harrah and Ventura seem really low, it depends on how you evaluate catchers, but some of these guys feel like they would be higher overall.
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    • #3
      Off hand I'd say Joe judge seems low. Wasn't he the big man on Washington for a while?
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      • #4
        Most people will likely say that I underrate catchers and relievers while overrating starters and 19th century players.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sockeye View Post
          Most people will likely say that I underrate catchers and relievers while overrating starters and 19th century players.
          I fall into your camp of not wanting to overrate relievers, although I do think Stu Miller is underrated, and John Wetteland to some extent.

          For catchers, how many will you have in your top 1000?
          Tenace and Downing were odd career shape but valuable catcher/corner combos.
          Steinbach and Bailey have arguments as top 50-60 pure catchers.
          60 position players * 8 positions = 480 spots + ~205 pitchers (if you award 30% of spots to pitchers) = 685 players.

          It depends on whatever defensive value he actually had, but Fred Tenney fashioned a pretty nice career.

          My wife thanks you for selecting Tino Martinez , possibly the favorite player of her youth.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jar of Flies View Post
            I fall into your camp of not wanting to overrate relievers, although I do think Stu Miller is underrated, and John Wetteland to some extent.

            For catchers, how many will you have in your top 1000?
            Tenace and Downing were odd career shape but valuable catcher/corner combos.
            Steinbach and Bailey have arguments as top 50-60 pure catchers.
            60 position players * 8 positions = 480 spots + ~205 pitchers (if you award 30% of spots to pitchers) = 685 players.

            It depends on whatever defensive value he actually had, but Fred Tenney fashioned a pretty nice career.

            My wife thanks you for selecting Tino Martinez , possibly the favorite player of her youth.
            Tenney has long been a strong candidate for my PHOF. Comiskey was a defensive innovator at the position but it was Tenney who completely mastered 19th century First base play.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by layson27 View Post
              Tenney has long been a strong candidate for my PHOF. Comiskey was a defensive innovator at the position but it was Tenney who completely mastered 19th century First base play.
              He hit ok too.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sockeye View Post
                Here is at long last my top 1000 HOF worthy players of all time. I'll reveal the list in reverse order 100 or more at time as time permits. Hopefully this will allow for some good discussion on the lower ranking and/or still active players. Please note this is based on major league playing career only. No Negro league, Japan, Mexico, or PCL careers are considered.

                801. Ned Williamson
                808. Phil Rizzuto
                828. Jim Gilliam
                843. Joe Start
                856. Buster Posey
                862. Elston Howard
                871. Josh Donaldson
                881. Russell Martin
                From the 800s group, I'll stick with the catching theme. I would elect Posey and Martin today.

                Yankees Rizzuto and Howard need war or some integration credit to make the HOF - you didn't explicitly say you weren't awarding war credit, but I'm guessing you aren't?

                19th century guys are tough, but I'm a supporter of Williamson and Start (although do you have the NA as a major league?)

                Josh Donaldson is coming on fast...what's more impressive, his baseball skills or his mullet?

                Maybe it's my likeness for a bit of integration credit, but Jim Gilliam was a pretty fine player even with just MLB years.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jar of Flies View Post
                  From the 800s group, I'll stick with the catching theme. I would elect Posey and Martin today.

                  Yankees Rizzuto and Howard need war or some integration credit to make the HOF - you didn't explicitly say you weren't awarding war credit, but I'm guessing you aren't?

                  19th century guys are tough, but I'm a supporter of Williamson and Start (although do you have the NA as a major league?)

                  Josh Donaldson is coming on fast...what's more impressive, his baseball skills or his mullet?

                  Maybe it's my likeness for a bit of integration credit, but Jim Gilliam was a pretty fine player even with just MLB years.
                  What's your case for Russell Martin?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Francoeurstein View Post
                    What's your case for Russell Martin?
                    Well, he is a very good offensive catcher who is a historically great framer.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
                      Well, he is a very good offensive catcher who is a historically great framer.
                      I realize that, but he's not even close to making a HOF case IMO.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jar of Flies View Post
                        From the 800s group, I'll stick with the catching theme. I would elect Posey and Martin today.

                        Yankees Rizzuto and Howard need war or some integration credit to make the HOF - you didn't explicitly say you weren't awarding war credit, but I'm guessing you aren't?

                        19th century guys are tough, but I'm a supporter of Williamson and Start (although do you have the NA as a major league?)

                        Josh Donaldson is coming on fast...what's more impressive, his baseball skills or his mullet?

                        Maybe it's my likeness for a bit of integration credit, but Jim Gilliam was a pretty fine player even with just MLB years.
                        Posey is on a HOF pace but not yet deserving. Martin is an underrated catcher, but he'll never receive serious consideration for the hall.

                        I don't give WAR credit, if I did I would have to give injury credit, minor league credit, early death credit, etc.

                        Completely agree that Donaldson is moving up fast. He got a late start so he'll need to maintain his production well into in mid to late 30's for him to move into HOF range.

                        I do consider NA as a major league. I don't give much of a LQ penalty for 1800's guys. They were the fathers of this great sport and the conditions and equipment they had to use were horrendous.

                        Gilliam fine a very good player, but short of HOF caliber IMO.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Francoeurstein View Post
                          I realize that, but he's not even close to making a HOF case IMO.
                          Using Baseball Gauge DRA, Martin is 19th in career WAR and 14th in WAA.
                          This does not factor in pitch framing, where Baseball Prospectus credits him with 199 runs.
                          If you gave Martin 10 extra wins (giving half credit for framing), he would move to 11th in career WAR, a few wins behind Hartnett, Dickey, and Simmons.

                          If you take raw Baseball Reference, he is only 26th in career and 25th in WAA, adding 10-11 wins pushes him to the 15-18 range.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sockeye View Post
                            I don't give WAR credit, if I did I would have to give injury credit, minor league credit, early death credit, etc.
                            No, you wouldn't. I give wartime credit but I do not give injury credit, minor league credit, or early death credit.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post
                              No, you wouldn't. I give wartime credit but I do not give injury credit, minor league credit, or early death credit.
                              No minor league credit?, especially guys like Earl Averill that were owned by a franchise that didn't want to sell.
                              I fully understand the hesitation on modern players and the current farm system structure, but players of olden times didn't have the same setup.
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