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  • #46
    The big issue is with under the table payments, and I imagine that if they penalize both the player and the team for any such payments that come to light, that would be at least something of a deterrent.
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    • #47
      Is Yu Darvish currently the best pitcher in Japanese baseball league?

      Darvish wins Japan's Sawamura Award
      http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...an-Darvish.php

      Pitcher Yu Darvish on Monday won the Sawamura Award, Japan's version of the Cy Young Award.
      Darvish, whose father is Iranian and mother Japanese, posted a 15-5 record in the regular season with a Pacific League-leading 210 strikeouts for Trey Hillman's Nippon Ham Fighters.
      The 21-year-old right-hander is currently playing in the Japan Series. He pitched a complete game as the Fighters downed the Chunichi Dragons 3-1 in Game 1 on Saturday.
      The annual award is given to the best pitcher in Japanese baseball. It is named after the late Eiji Sawamura, a legendary pitcher who died in combat in 1944 while serving in the Japanese military during World War II.
      Darvish is preparing to drop his Iranian nationality so he can represent Japan in the Beijing Olympics.

      Japanese law requires a person holding dual citizenship to choose a single nationality before age 22.

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      • #48
        Was the Dragons title-clinching win a perfect game or a no-hitter?

        And Amazins said that they ended a 53-year title drought, wow that's quite long.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by BolaNgBasebol View Post
          Was the Dragons title-clinching win a perfect game or a no-hitter?

          And Amazins said that they ended a 53-year title drought, wow that's quite long.
          There's no way to give up a run in a perfect game. Even a runner reaching on an error means it's not perfect.

          EDIT - Sorry, my mistake, you were talking about the final game of the Japan Series that the Dragons won. My bad, I thought you were referring to Darvish' win in Game 1 (didn't read your post very well).
          The Dragons did clinch the Japan Series with a perfect game, using two pitchers! The starter got pulled after 8, much to everybody's shock, but the closer got it finished. Darvish lost the game 1-0, gave up a run in the 2nd on a single, double, and sac fly. Still a great job pitching.
          Last edited by hellborn; 11-01-2007, 09:25 AM.
          "I throw him four wide ones, then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on pitching to Musial

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          • #50
            jalbright: Considering your knowledge and affection for Japanese Baseball and interest in other non-major league brands of baseball could you tell me the following :

            Are career statistical records available on Japanese stars (active and retired) ?
            Is there any literature on a Japanese and Latin-American Baseball Hall Of Fames (written in English)?

            I will check out these topics on the website you recommended BaseballGuru.com.

            PhilliesFiend55

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            • #51
              Look at the early posts in this thread.

              The Engels and Fitts book is about Japanese HOFers and Meikyukai members (the Meikyukai will almost certainly become JHOFers). There's a link to the English site for the Japanese HOF. Stats for retired stars can be found at the link called "significant retired player data". If you want to know who to look up, see my baseballguru.com pages. The site japanesebaseball.com has currently active stars and a few others as well.

              I'm not as versed on the Latin American leagues. Sorry.
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              • #52
                Is there a site that lists times in the top 10 for important categories, or adjusted rates? I'd like to try to make some kind of comparisons who Japanese (and Negro League players) were most similar to among major leaguers (eg. Oh was probably most similar to Ruth, Aaron, Mays or Bonds)
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                • #53
                  I can't seem to locate one, though perhaps you want to post that inquiry into the "Ask the Commish" forum at japanesebaseball.com Perhaps someone there can help. The official NPB site used to have this in English, but they took down all the English part of the site.
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                  • #54
                    Japanese Baseball Info

                    Here is a contribution to the Japanese baseball thread. The following Asian baseball games have been discovered over the past four decades of research to have lasted either five hours or more, or 20 innings or more. During this time, I have made two trips to the Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame at the Tokyo Dome and received very helpful assistance.

                    As you can clearly see, there is much missing information. It is extremely difficult to get such information. Most of the world's baseball federations do not keep records or return e-mail messages.

                    Because it is almost certainly wrong, it is very sad to be giving a 6-inning Little League game in 2006 as the record longest game by innings for Saudi Arabia, or a 9-inning Spalding World Tour game in 1888 as the longest ever for New Zealand, or a 9-inning Comiskey/McGraw World Tour game in 1913 as the longest ever for the Philippines, or a 9-inning game in 1942 during World War II involving a US Army Negro team as the longest ever for India.

                    If you know of a game missing from the list below, or any of the missing information on the games listed below, please post on this thread so I can update the records. Thank youvery much.

                    Phil Lowry

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                    TWENTY OR MORE INNING GAMES IN ASIA

                    GUAM (1)

                    21 innings – Third Marine Division (later Trimble) Field, Guam – 5/6/1945 – 41st US Navy Construction Battalion Seabees 2 US Navy Air Base 1 – 1000 fans.
                    TIME OF GAME UNKNOWN

                    JAPAN (25)

                    25 – Koshien Kyujo (Stadium), Osaka – 8/19/1933 – Koshien National High School Tournament Semifinal – Chukyo-shogyo 1 Akashi-chugaku 0 in 4:55 – finished at 6:05 PM.

                    20 – Kobe - ?/??/1934 – Kobe Junior High School League – Akaishi-chuugaku vs. Kobe-ichi-chuugaku. EXACT DATE, BALLFIELD, FINAL SCORE, TIME OF GAME UNKNOWN

                    35 – Matsue Kyujo (Stadium), Matsue – 7/20/1935 and 7/21/1935 – Junior High School League – Oota Chu 2 Matsue Chu (later Matsue Kita Koto-gakko) 1 in 6:58, suspended after 4:48 and 23 innings - another version says 23 – Shimane – Junior High School League - ?/??/1935 – Taisha Chugakkou vs. Ota Chugakkou in tie game; replayed next day and Ota defeated Taisha in 12 innings. NUMBER OF INNINGS WHETHER 35 OR 23 IS UNKNOWN

                    20 – Nishinomiya Kyujo (Stadium), Nishinomiya – 7/13/1941 – Japanese Federation – Taiyo 1 Hanshin 0 in 2:43.

                    28 – Korakuen Kyujo (Stadium), Tokyo – 5/24/1942 – Japanese Federation – Taiyo 4 Nagoya 4 in 3:47 – finished at 6:27 PM.

                    25 - unknown – 7/??/1948 – Koshien National High School Tournament Regional Qualifier – one high school team defeated another high school team. BALLFIELD, CITY, EXACT DATE, FINAL SCORE, NAME AND NICKNAMES OF TEAMS, TIME OF GAME UNKNOWN

                    24 - unknown – 7/??/1951 – Koshien National High School Tournament Regional Qualifier – Morioka Number One High School vs. Aomori High School, final score 1-0. WHO WON, BALLFIELD, CITY, EXACT DATE, TIME OF GAME UNKNOWN

                    30 – Tokyo - 8/30/1951 – Junior High School League – Takefu Junior High School 0 Kohama Junior High School 0 in 5:45 – finished at 2:45 PM. BALLFIELD, UNKNOWN

                    28 – Tokyo Kyujo (Stadium), Tokyo – 9/8/1951 – Industrial League – Marubeni Trading Company 2 Kajima Coal Company 1. TIME OF GAME UNKNOWN

                    21 – Nishinomiya Kyujo (Stadium), Nishinomiya - 7/3/1952 – Central League vs. Pacific League – Central League All-Stars 2 Pacific League All-Stars 2 in 4:30.

                    21 – unknown - 7/??/1952 – Koshien National High School Tournament Regional Qualifier – Tsuru (Otsuki) High School defeated unknown high school. CITY, BALLFIELD, EXACT DATE, NAME OF LOSING TEAM, FINAL SCORE, TIME OF GAME UNKNOWN

                    20 – Nishi-Kyogoku Kyujo (Stadium), Kyoto – 9/7/1952 – Central League – Shochiku 2 Taiyo 1 in 3:13.

                    22 – Korakuen Kyujo (Stadium), Tokyo – 6/25/1953 – Pacific League – Daiei Stars 4 Kintetsu 4 in 4:33.

                    20 – Korakuen Kyujo (Stadium), Tokyo – 8/9/1953 – Pacific League – Kintetsu 5 Toei 4 in 4:46.

                    23 – Osaka Kyujo (Stadium), Osaka – 10/10/1954 – Pacific League – Kintetsu 1 Toei 0 in 4:30.

                    25 – Shikoku Kyujo (Stadium), Shikoku – 4/28/1958 – High School League – Takamatsu-shogyo 2 Tokushima-shogyo 0 in 5:47.

                    29 – Nishi-Kyogoku Kyujo (Stadium), Kyoto – 5/2/1959 – National Municipal League Championships – Nippon Shinyaku (New Pharmaceuticals) Company 2 Kurashiki Reiyon (Rayon) Company (later Kuraray Company) 1 in 6:14.

                    22 – Korakuen Kyujo (Stadium), Tokyo – 7/29/1962 – Tokyo Industrial League – Nippon Beer Company 1 Denden Kinki Company 0 in 5:27.

                    20 – Meiji Jingu Kyujo (Stadium), Tokyo – 6/24/1970 – All-University League Semifinal – Kansai University 3 Hosei University 2 in 4:54.

                    27 – Ube City Kyujo (Stadium), Ube City – 5/13/1973 and 5/14/1973 – High School League – Matsue Sho 2 Shimonoseki Sho 0, suspended after 18 innings. TIME OF GAME UNKNOWN

                    45 – Ibaraki-Mito Kenei (Prefectural) Kyujo (Stadium), Mito – 9/20/1983 – Amateur Industrial Emperor’s Cup Nan-shiki Tournament – Tokyo Raito (Light) Kogyo (Manufacturing Company) 2 Miyazaki Tanaka Byouin (Hospital) 1 in 8:19, umpire snack break delay 0:06 top 26th, players refused 0:30 break top 26th – 100 fans at end - finished at 5:15 PM.

                    22 – Ojiyama Kyujo (Stadium), Otsu – 5/4/1993 – Kansai Gakusei (Osaka University) League – Kwansei Gakuin (University) 3 Ritsumeikan University 2 in 4:45.

                    20 – Kasai Shiei Kyujyo (Stadium), Kawanishi - 11/15/1997 – Kinki District High School League – Kobe Ikuei-koukou 4 Kyoto Heian-koukou 3. TIME OF GAME UNKNOWN

                    23 – Fukuoka Dome, Fukuoka – 10/26/2002 – Kyushu College League Semifinal – Nihon Bunri University 2 Kyushu Kyoritsu (Community College) 1 in 6:00.

                    20 – Nishi-Kyogoku Kyujo (Stadium), Kyoto – 10/22/2006 – Kansai University League – Doshisha University 2 Ritsumeikan University 1 in 4:59 – 2000 fans – finished at 8:20 PM.

                    20 – Sendai Shimin Kyujyo (Stadium), Sendai - 7/25/2007 – 52nd District High School League – Ishinomaki Shougyo 2 Sendai 1. TIME OF GAME UNKNOWN

                    TAIWAN (3)

                    25 – Yuanshan Qiuchang (Stadium), Taipei - 7/28/1941 – Taiwan High School League – Jiayi Agriculture and Forestry Institute (Jianong) 2 Taipei Industrial School 1 in 5:29.

                    21 – Municipal Qiuchang (Stadium), Taipei – 9/15/1979 – Taiwan University League – Weichuan Foods/Chinese Culture University 1 Putaowang (Grape King) Biotechnology/Fu Jen Catholic University 0 in 6:06 – finished at 10:11 PM.

                    20 – Oaks Oval, Lismore, State of New South Wales, Australia – 12/31/1994 – AAA Asian Under 19 Series – Australia 9 Chinese Taipei 8 in 6:17, 2nd game postponed – 300 fans, 300 fans at end – finished at 9:47 PM.

                    LONGEST GAME BY INNINGS IN ASIA IF LESS THAN 20 INNINGS

                    CHINA

                    15 – Stadion (Stadium) Eindhoven, Eindhoven, Netherlands – 9/3/2005 – World Cup - China 6 Brazil 5 in 4:28 – finished at 5:28 PM.

                    HONG KONG AND SRI LANKA

                    8 – Pindi Cricket Stadium, Rawalpindi, Pakistan – 4/25/2006 – 7th Asia Cup – Hong Kong 13 Sri Lanka 3.

                    INDIA

                    9 – Calcutta (later Kolkata) – 11/1/1942 – U.S. Army vs. Amateur – Negro U.S. Army 11 Calcutta 3.

                    IRAN

                    12 – Takhti Stadium, Isfahan - 9/17/2004 – National Championships – Isfahan 10 Tehran 9 in 3:15.

                    ISRAEL

                    9 – Yarkon Sports Complex, Petach Tikva – 6/28/2004 – National League – Kibbutz Kezer DG Tech-Gezer 12 Israeli Junior National Team 11 in 4:00 – finished at 11:00 PM.

                    MICRONESIA

                    9 – Guam – 5/31/1999 – Oceania Championships - Guam 10 Micronesia 0.

                    NEW ZEALAND

                    9 – Potter’s Paddock (later Tranway Company’s Grounds at Epsom), Auckland – 12/10/1888 – Spalding World Tour – Chicago White Stockings 22 All-Americans 13 – 4500 fans.

                    NORTHERN MARIANA ISLANDS

                    11 – Francisco Palacios Field, Saipan - 6/27/2006 – Sixth Micronesian Games – Kosrae 10 Pohnpai 9.

                    PAKISTAN

                    9 – Pindi Cricket Stadium, Rawalpindi, Pakistan – 4/26/2006 – 7th Asia Cup – Pakistan 14 Thailand 3.

                    PHILIPPINES

                    9 – Manila - 12/17/1913 – Charles Comiskey/John McGraw World Tour - Chicago White Sox 2 New York Giants 1.

                    SAUDI ARABIA

                    6 – Field One, Kutno, Poland – 7/27/2006 – Little League Trans-Atlantic Regional Tournament Championship – Arabian-American Little League/Dhahran (Saudi Arabia) 8 London Area Youth Little League (England) 1.

                    SOUTH KOREA

                    15 – Jamsil Olympic Stadium, Seoul – 5/6/2001 – Korean Organization - LG (Lucky Goldstar) Twins 3 Doosan Bears 3 in 5:45 – finished at 7:45 PM.

                    THAILAND

                    9 – Pindi Cricket Stadium, Rawalpindi, Pakistan – 4/25/2006 – 7th Asia Cup – Thailand 16 Iran 12.

                    TURKEY

                    7 – Raven’s Nest, Tulln, Austria – 4/16/2006 – Dominican Ravens (Austria) 9 Turkish National Senior Team 5 in 2:30 – 250 fans - finished at 6:00 PM.

                    FIVE OR MORE HOUR GAMES IN ASIA

                    JAPAN (14)

                    6:58 – Matsue Kyujo (Stadium), Matsue – 7/20/1935 and 7/21/1935 – Junior High School League – Oota Chu 2 Matsue Chu (later Matsue Kita Koto-gakko) 1 in 35 innings, suspended after 4:48 and 23 innings.

                    5:45 – Tokyo - 8/30/1951 – Junior High School League – Takefu Junior High School 0 Kohama Junior High School 0 in 30 innings – finished at 2:45 PM.

                    5:47 – Shikoku Kyujo (Stadium), Shikoku – 4/28/1958 – High School League - Takamatsu-shogyo 2 Tokushima-shogyo 0 in 25 innings.

                    6:14 – Nishi-Kyogoku Kyujo (Stadium), Kyoto – 5/2/1959 – Kyoto Industrial League – Nippon Shinyaku (Pharmaceuticals) Company 2 Kurashiki Reiyon (Rayon) Company (later Kuraray Company) 1 in 29 innings.

                    5:27 – Korakuen Kyujo (Stadium), Tokyo – 7/29/1962 – Tokyo Industrial League – Nippon Beer Company 1 Denden Kinki Company 0 in 22 innings.

                    8:19 – Ibaraki-Mito Kenei (Prefectural) Kyujo (Stadium), Mito – 9/20/1983 – Amateur Industrial Emperor’s Cup Nan-shiki Tournament – Tokyo Raito (Light) Kogyo (Manufacturing Company) 2 Miyazaki Tanaka Byouin (Hospital) 1 in 45 innings, umpire snack break delay 0:06 top 26th, players refused 0:30 break top 26th – 100 fans at end - finished at 5:15 PM.

                    5:49 – Koshien Kyujo (Stadium), Osaka – 9/11/1992 - Central League – Yakult Swallows 3 Hanshin Tigers 3 in 15 innings, rhubarb delay 0:37 – finished at 12:26 AM in the early morning of 9/12.

                    6:01 – Hiroshima Kyujo (Stadium), Hiroshima – 10/1/1992 – Central League – Hiroshima Carp 8 Yakult Swallows 7 in 13 innings.

                    6:19 – Shimonoseki Kyujo (Stadium), Shimonoseki – 9/8/1996 - Central League – Yakult Swallows 6 Yokohama BayStars 5 in 14 innings – finished at 12:19 AM in the early morning of 9/9.

                    6:13 – Fukuyama Kyujo (Stadium), Fukuyama – 8/9/1998 - Central League – Yokohama BayStars 14 Hiroshima Carp 6 in 15 innings – finished at 12:13 AM in the early morning of 8/10.

                    6:02 – Koshien Kyujo (Stadium), Osaka – 5/24/2000 - Central League – Chunichi Dragons 3 Hanshin Tigers 2 in 15 innings – finished at 12:02 AM in the early morning of 5/25.

                    6:20 – Shizuoka Kyujo (Stadium), Shizuoka – 4/14/2002 – Shizuoka Industrial League – Osaka Gas 6 Nissan Motors 5 in 17 innings.

                    6:00 – Fukuoka Dome, Fukuoka – 10/26/2002 – Kyushu University League – Nihon Bunri University 2 Kyushu Kyoritsu University 1 in 23 innings.

                    5:42 – Hiroshima Kyujo (Stadium), Hiroshima or Tokyo Dome, Tokyo – 8/20/2004 - Central League – Hiroshima Toyo Carp 7 Yomiuri Giants 6 in 12 innings – finished at 11:42 PM.

                    SOUTH KOREA (2)

                    5:21 – Taejon Yagu-jang (Stadium), Taejon – 4/12/1997 – Korean Organization - OB (Oriental Brewing) Bears 4 Hanhwa Eagles 2 in 13 innings – finished at 11:51 PM.

                    5:45 – Jamsil Olympic Yagu-jang (Stadium), Seoul – 5/6/2001 – Korean Organization - LG (Lucky Goldstar) Twins 3 Doosan Bears 3 in 15 innings – finished at 7:45 PM.

                    TAIWAN (4)

                    5:29 - Yuanshan Qiuchang (Stadium), Taipei - 7/28/1941 – Jiayi Agriculture and Forestry Institute (Jianong) 2 Taipei Industrial School 1 in 25 innings.

                    6:06 – Municipal Qiuchang (Stadium), Taipei – 9/15/1979 – Taiwan University League – Weichuan Foods/Chinese Culture University 1 Putaowang (Grape King) Biotechnology/Fu Jen Catholic University 0 in 21 innings – finished at 10:11 PM.

                    6:17 – Oaks Oval, Lismore, State of New South Wales, Australia – 12/31/1994 – AAA Asian Under 19 Series – Australia 9 Chinese Taipei 8 in 20 innings, 2nd game postponed – 300 fans, 300 fans at end – finished at 9:47 PM.

                    5:31 – Tainan Stadium, Tainan – 7/1/2007 – Chinese League – Chinatrust Whales 9 Uni-President Lions 9 in 12 innings – 2006 fans – finished at 10:36 PM.

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                    • #55
                      Mr. Albright or someone:

                      Can you explain why Ichiro's stats are split for 1992 and 1993? What is "Jap West?" Is that a minor league of Nippon Professional Baseball?

                      http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe...o-suzuki.shtml

                      I see here that it probably is:

                      http://japanesebaseball.com/players/...sp?PlayerID=28
                      Last edited by Brian McKenna; 01-31-2008, 03:59 PM.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by bkmckenna View Post
                        Mr. Albright or someone:

                        Can you explain why Ichiro's stats are split for 1992 and 1993? What is "Jap West?" Is that a minor league of Nippon Professional Baseball?

                        http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe...o-suzuki.shtml

                        I see here that it probably is:

                        http://japanesebaseball.com/players/...sp?PlayerID=28
                        The Western League is one of two Japanese minor leagues. See http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Ni-gun

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Mischa View Post
                          The Western League is one of two Japanese minor leagues. See http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Ni-gun
                          That's what I thought - thanks.

                          Another question.

                          Japanese ballplayers aren't attaining their free agency status for some time. The recent surge of NPB players to MLB suggests that it might be desirable for Japanese ballplayers to find their way to a ML club at an earlier age.

                          So, are the parents of talented Japanese ballplayers - teenagers that is - considering relocation to the U.S. prior to their sons entering the NPB system? Is this even feasible since the ballplayers seem to be scooped up at a very young age there?

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                          • #58
                            I doubt that given the cultural ethos of Japan that moving to the States to get one's kid into the majors sooner would be well received there. Thus, I think a parent with that idea would probably want to plan to make the move permanent. That being the case, I doubt there's much thinking along those lines going on.
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                            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
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                            • #59
                              About NPB

                              Perdon my poor English.

                              i)NPB has two minor League.one "Western-League" another "Eastern league"
                              Why is it not "Central""Pacific"? Because these method to split can save money(for train or bus) when players move from one game to next game

                              ii)I don't think that Japanese parents of good-baseball-boy dare to move to USA because Japanese often hate a life with high risk.
                              And,we often think American baseball system has unenough for young players to gain baseball tecniques.
                              (MLB maintains top-level symply because many excellent boys enter into USA from all the country,not because good educational baseball system is there)

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by siromaniyon View Post
                                MLB maintains top-level symply because many excellent boys enter into USA from all the country,not because good educational baseball system is there
                                You are certainly right that the minor leagues are 50% foreign-born players. This influx certainly does tend to up the competition level.

                                I would respectfully disagree that a 'good educational baseball system' does not exist in the U.S.

                                If you are referring to college level, that is in large part because most of the talented ballplayers are funnelled into professional ball rather than attending a 4-year college. Less than 10% of major leaguers have a college degree.

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